Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Haynie (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ as it appears sourcing questions have been addressed Star   Mississippi  03:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Jim Haynie
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Speedy G4 declined as one of the refs is newer than those in the original article - that's one of precisely two refs and is an obit in the South Whidbey Record - so an obituary in a newspaper that "serves the south end of Whidbey Island, beginning with the Island gateway of Clinton, where Washington State ferries dock after crossing Puget Sound from the mainland and Seattle" is the only additional claim of notability to that which was deemed insufficient in 2017. Still fails WP:GNG; WP:NACTOR with minor roles throughout. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, United States of America,  and Oklahoma. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Veteran actor with bit parts and no critical discussion of any of it. Long way from ACTOR. Oaktree b (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article passes WP:NACTOR.  He’s had significant roles in the films From Hollywood to Deadwood, Jack's Back, Staying Together (film), The Bridges of Madison County (film) and Take Five (TV series). The Film Creator (talk) 16:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: I removed the speedy tag because the newer ref indicated that the article could not be the same article as the one deleted. Unfortunately, I gave up my admin bit while on 10-year hiatus, so I cannot see the deleted version to compare to this article. Alexandermcnabb, can you see the old version?
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 19:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, @A. B., I was going to ask you the same question - how can you see the first version! I've gone on the reasons from the original AfD and no activity on the part of the subject since that AfD took place - and then, encompassing your (perfectly valid) comment on the additional source changing the article, I took a look at that source and it doesn't give any more indication of a WP:GNG pass than existed back in 2017. Hence AfD... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  19:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with The Film Creator above. He passes WP:NACTOR for his various significant roles in notable films/series. The interview in the LAT and the obituary in the Whidbey News-Times (the same that was published in South Whidbey Record) are not only good indications but can help improve the page.- My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank)  09:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC).
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO, no sources showing this meets NACTOR. Sources in article are an interview and database record, BEFORE showed nothing that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Keep votes provide no sources, just ILIKEIT reasons.  // Timothy :: talk  05:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, no, this is not true. My !vote is partially based on the 2 sources in the page (both being SIGCOV RELIABLE INDEPENDENT coverage one an interview, true, but in the LAT, and the other perfectly secondary, mind you) and on his roles, and The Fim Creator’s one is based on the significance of his roles too, referring to a guideline. This has nothing to do with ’I like it’. So please, don’t comment upon other’s people !votes if it’s not in a collaborative spirit. You may disagree with others’ opinions but don’t dismiss their contributions to the discussion by presenting them erroneously. Thank you very much. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  17:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: I wrote the German Wikipedia article about Haynie, which is more substantial, and have researched a bit about his career. He also has articles in three other languages, by the way. From my viewpoint many actors with lesser careers have English-language Wikipedia articles here. Haynie had quite decent supporting roles in well-known films like I Come in Peace, Sleepwalkers and The Bridges of Madison County (as Meryl Streep's film husband); also a major role in Staying Together. Not to mention a long list of television roles. More than 25 views on average show a public interest. The main reason why he did not get so many obituarys at the time of his death is that obviously this information wasn't given to the press for a long time. It could definitely have merited a Hollywood Reporter or Variety obituary. However, the Academy also listed him in their longer "In Memoriam list" for 2021. --Clibenfoart (talk) 20:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Source eval: from de.wp mentioned above.
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! Comments !! Source
 * Mentions in footnotes, nothing close to WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. || 1. Stephen J. Bottoms: The Theatre of Sam Shepard: States of Crisis. Cambridge University Press, 1998, ISBN 978-0-521-58791-4 (google.de [abgerufen am 6. Juni 2020]).
 * IMDB entry || 2. ↑ Jim Haynie (IMDb). Abgerufen am 6. Juni 2020.
 * Obit with the normal problems associated with obits. || 3. ↑ Jim Haynie: Feb. 6, 1940 - April 3, 2021. 2. Juli 2021, abgerufen am 27. Juli 2021 (amerikanisches Englisch).
 * Facebook || 4. ↑ Post von seiner Ehefrau Maggie Causey auf Facebook. Abgerufen am 15. Juni 2021 (englisch).
 * Title indicates this is an obit, but not able to find anything on subject from the article or above link is blank. Editor above states "also listed him" and a mention in a list also fails WP:SIGCOV. || 5. ↑ Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences: In Memoriam. Abgerufen am 15. Juni 2021 (englisch).
 * }
 * All fail WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
 * The comment above The main reason why he did not get so many obituarys at the time of his death is that obviously this information wasn't given to the press for a long time. shows the problem with obits regarding WP:NPOV, WP:IS.  // Timothy :: talk  08:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Title indicates this is an obit, but not able to find anything on subject from the article or above link is blank. Editor above states "also listed him" and a mention in a list also fails WP:SIGCOV. || 5. ↑ Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences: In Memoriam. Abgerufen am 15. Juni 2021 (englisch).
 * }
 * All fail WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
 * The comment above The main reason why he did not get so many obituarys at the time of his death is that obviously this information wasn't given to the press for a long time. shows the problem with obits regarding WP:NPOV, WP:IS.  // Timothy :: talk  08:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The comment above The main reason why he did not get so many obituarys at the time of his death is that obviously this information wasn't given to the press for a long time. shows the problem with obits regarding WP:NPOV, WP:IS.  // Timothy :: talk  08:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films and TV shows, more than enough to meet WP:NACTOR. Owen&times; &#9742;  00:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep I found some coverage for this actor on Newspapars.com and it's significant enough to get over the GNG bar in my view. The first three are solely about him and the other two I think display that some of his work was notable as well (received wide critical acclaim for True West, winning an Bay Area Theatre Critics Circle Award for his theater work. 1a,1b, 2, 3a, 3b, 4, 5. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


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