Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Heath (news anchor)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This is numerically even, but the "delete" opinions are considerably stronger. The criteria that could apply here are WP:GNG, WP:CREATIVE, or WP:ANYBIO. No evidence of the subject meeting GNG has been presented. References are made to WP:CREATIVE, but that part of the guideline makes no reference to awards at all. Significant awards are instead mentioned in ANYBIO, which is not directly referenced, but I will assume that that is what is meant when this person's awards are mentioned. No evidence is provided that the "WBNS 10TV Walter Cronkite Award" is in fact a significant award; as one editor points out, it is not the same as the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism. Similarly, the concern that a regional Emmy is not sufficient for individual notability has not been rebutted. In sum, no convincing evidence of notability has been provided. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Jim Heath (news anchor)

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I'm struggling to figure out if he meets the WP:GNG and leaning toward "no". The description for the 2013 Cronkite award to WBNS did not mention Heath, and the Emmys are all regional and do not confer notability. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:16, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:06, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. This notice was a surprise, I've been a supporter of Wikipedia for over a decade and believe in its amazing work. My name is on the WBNS 10TV Walter Cronkite Award, and I was present at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. to accept it. I have photos from the event if that would be helpful. In addition, my interview with presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2012 made national news, including being immortalized in the book Double Down: Game Change by Mark Halperin. As for the Emmy Awards, it is true they are regional, but as your own article on Emmy Awards states: "Regardless of winning on a national or regional level, all recipients are Emmy Award winners." [] Let me know if there is any other information you need. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimHeathWiki (talk • contribs) 03:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - well one thing we now know: the article is an autobiography (which suspected way back in 2007), and JimHeaathWiki is a sock of Beachanchor.  I also wonder how many of the contributors to the page, with very low edit counts and only have edited this article are also socks: BenignTumor27, FellowesGray, WPDE TV, NortInwol4, AArontrpro23, and Notrisp (who also edited another article, but only to add Jim Heath to it) are just the first half dozen of about 20 of these SPA accounts.  If the article does end up being kept, then it should be protected so that only autopatrolled editors can make changes.   Onel 5969  TT me 11:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Having made my spiel above, the Emmy's and Cronkite award are more than enough to pass WP:CREATIVE.  Onel 5969  TT me 11:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Sorry User:onel5969, but, regional Emmy's and this specific Cronkite award don't count towards notability (he did not win the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism). The two Emmy's he won are from the Ohio Valley. Other than that, I'm not seeing anything else that really qualifies the subject for a Wikipedia article. It's either passing mentions (i.e. ) or WP:NOTNEWS situation that brought on venom from the metal scene. He did get interviewed on C-SPAN for his book and he was also the feature of this paywalled article, but, the book was not reviewed in any notable publications. I'm not seeing how this subject meets our notability guidelines at this time. Missvain (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Regional Emmys are Emmys. It is a well-known and signifcant award. He won them and that's notable. If we want to change the policy and say "regional awards don't count, only national awards do", or "there has to be WP:SECONDARY and WP:SIGCOV" of the award win itself", we could make that change too. But until those changes are made, a sourced Emmy win is itself notable by our guidelines. The Romney question and the Dayton metal spat are secondary events that overcome WP:BIO1E. If there are pictures of the Cronkite Award win from the National Press Club, and they are uploaded to Wikipedia Commons with CC0, I can add one to the article. Too bad there's all this sockpuppetry; it disinclines me to want to help the article.BBQboffin (talk) 14:57, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete From my observations of other RFDs, where journalists are awarded regional emmy's for local TV stations (in this case a local Ohio award) they are not regarded as notable, in the same way as a National Emmy. Jim Heath notes his name was on the Walter Cronkite award - correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem he didn't personally win the award, it was awarded to the channel or program? If so, that really doesn't qualify as him winning the award in the sense of adding to his personal notability. Looking at the references, as far as I can tell, none of them discuss or feature him in a secondary way that establishes notability. IN addition to the fact the article has allegedly been added to by Jim Heath himself, using a sockpuppet!!....hmmm.... Deathlibrarian (talk) 10:27, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The "Ohio Valley region" includes 13 news markets in the 4-state region of Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Indiana. It's not a "a local Ohio award". NATAS has 20 regions for the US so on average, there's >10M people in each; that's the population of Sweden, Portugal, or Belgium.  If he won the top national journalism award 3 times in Sweden or Portugal, would we be questioning his notability? Since his market is <50% of the US population, he's ineligible to be nominated for a national Emmy here. The rationale is that if there's an earthquake in California or a hurricane in New Orleans, an Ohio journalist would not be able to create similar content for comparison. When a station is given an award, everyone named on the nomination gets the iconic statuette. We should have some set standard since there are hundreds of winners each year: maybe we say that when you've won 3 or them or 5 of them then they count (and ignore mere nominations).  But counting them as worthless (when it's the highest award that a non-national journalist could possibly win, and they won multiple times) doesn't seem the right policy. BBQboffin (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


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