Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Justin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 10:15, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Jim Justin

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Completely unsourced article about a mayor, which literally just states that he existed, the end, and doesn't even try to demonstrate that he would actually pass WP:NPOL #2 at all. As always, mayors do not all get an automatic notability freebie just because they existed -- the notability bar that a mayor has to clear is the ability to write and source some genuine substance about the significance of his mayoralty: specific things he did in the mayor's chair, specific city-building projects he championed, and on and so forth. Just stating that he existed as a mayor in 33 words flat, and citing zero sources to support even that tiny amount of content, is not good enough. Bearcat (talk) 20:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 20:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 20:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The population of Vancouver, Washington is currently estimated at 184,463. Mayors of cities of 100,000+ are generally notable. However, it hovered around 40,000-45,000 during Justin's tenure. I know just because it exists elsewhere on Wikipedia it doesn't lend his case, but its current Mayor (Anne McEnerny-Ogle), her predecessor (Tim Leavitt), and his predecessor (Royce Pollard) all have articles on Wikipedia. Pollard pre-dates the 100,000 mark. I don't know if the population changes that. There is not enough in the article about him or his military service to figure out if GNG is met.--Mpen320 (talk) 04:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete completely unsourced, could possibly even be speedied if he were still alive. The other mayors linked above look marginal at best in terms of notability. As of now, fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  T · C  07:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, he's pretty clearly notable as a former mayor of a city of 200,000 people but obviously in terrible shape. Ping me if it's kept and I'll work myself on expanding it into a respectable article. Kingofthedead (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There are no automatic notability freebies for mayors just because the city happens to have surpassed an arbitrary population size — a mayor's notability is still contingent entirely on the depth and quality of the sources that can actually be shown to support a substantive article, regardless of whether they were mayor of a city of 200K or a village of 10. So if you want it saved, you should expand it into a respectable article now so that it can get kept, rather than waiting until after the discussion is over before you even start to do anything. Bearcat (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Per Kingofthedead. I have also significantly expanded the page from stub-status. KidAd (talk) 20:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Vancouver is certainly large enough that the mayor could pass WP:NPOL if there are sufficient sources about the subject to "sufficiently describe the subject and/or their agenda/actions as mayor" (See the AfD for Denis Law). While I feel confident that the sources are there for this subject, I'm not sure we are quite there yet. --Enos733 (talk) 22:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator's very persuasize explanation of why this individual is not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge & (edit as appropriate) > List of mayors of Vancouver, Washington, which is complete and can be expanded.Djflem (talk) 06:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Question - The article has been greatly improved since the nomination, with additional sources. Is this enough to make it stay? Foxnpichu (talk) 20:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at the article now, I don't think it's close to enough. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:39, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The article has been greatly improved, and should survive the AfD per WP:POLOUTCOMES as a Mayor of a regionally-significant city. KidAd 18:30, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... This is a difficult one. I guess I'll say Weak Keep for now as the article has been improved, but I'm up for changing my !vote. Foxnpichu (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


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