Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Mather (Hanshi)


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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 05:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Jim Mather (Hanshi)

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No claim of significance - founded a non-notable society. Non notable BLP, should be deleted. WormTT(talk) 10:56, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as a former national Karate champion and national coach for the USA Karate Team under the United States Olympic Committee. He is the 10th Dan Hashi of Karate in the US. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 12:42, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * He was one of 3 people who trained the national team - but I don't see that he was the "national coach". Nor do I think it was under the USOC, but just at the Olympic Training Centre... At least that's what the puff piece source says... WormTT(talk) 14:18, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment for the moment will vote later. High rank has never been a criteria for notability in the martial arts.  His 10th Dan Hanshi is a classic example of why in that it was either self awarded or given by his own organisation.  It is telling that the only reference is a self congratulatory 'grandmater' organisation which is not credible.  I would like to see some reliable third part support for the karate championships and also their significance.  Karate is not part of the Olympics so I don't understand the significance of the coaching position either but it was one of several not the main one (again according to his web site).Peter Rehse (talk) 13:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I found no significant independent coverage of him or the organization he founded. Also found no independent evidence of him being a national champion. Rank doesn't prove notability. Running a string of 11 dojos also doesn't make him notable. Jakejr (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:58, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete As per nominator and my comment above.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:11, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * delete No significant coverage and no evidence of notability as a martial artist since high rank isn't enough. Astudent0 (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete My search found nothing that shows he meets WP:GNG or WP:MANOTE. I found no independent evidence he was a national karate champion or that the karate organization he founded was notable. Papaursa (talk) 00:46, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


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