Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Milisavljevic (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. GNG was proven, no need to prolong. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure) Aszx5000 (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Jim Milisavljevic
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 23:34, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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 * I would expect someone on the FIFA World Cup team to pass GNG with newspaper sources. This source from FootballVictoria, while probably not independent, includes an image of him on the cover of a magazine - that seems to be a strong indication that there's more out there. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Apparently the National Library of Australia has a collection of newspaper articles on him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This news article on his death (which is sigcov), mentions (according to google translate) "Football fans in Australia, especially the older ones, remember [Jim] Milisavljević well. Former national team member, irreplaceable goalkeeper of the famous Footscray JUST, then goalkeeper, coach, and president of the oldest Serbian football club in Victoria Carlton, Ringwood United, Fitzroy of Serbia and Richmond of Serbia (the same club that changed its name due to location change) is generally known as – Jimmy Korea ... The legendary Jimmy Korea had a career that many can only dream of." This has all the indications of being notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The crusade against sports continues while others skate by with a free pass. Are we going to see the same standards applied to academics and artists or are they worthy pursuits unlike the undignified practice of grown men chasing around after a ball. This afd seems based on the unrealistic expectation a simple web search will find coverage for a 1970s sportsperson who played pre internet. The National Library of Australia has Biographical cuttings on Jimmy Milisavljevic, sportsman, containing one or more cuttings from newspapers or journals which should be sufficient for GNG. SBS laso appears to have an article here Jimmy appears the more common first name. Depending on copyright rules for old photos this or this maybe could be added to the article. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Questions Firstly, this was well written, did it breach COPYVIO? Next, I don't see one game for Australia on world football.net, did he actually play a game? The article may pass GNG, but I need to be persuaded even more. Govvy (talk) 08:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 10:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 11:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources above and remarks from other users. Themanwithnowifi (talk) 11:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above... idk why this user seeiminly wants to get rid of all articles about Australian lower league players not written by themselves... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 11:46, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - There's also another article on him here - https://www.sbs.com.au/language/serbian/sr/podcast-episode/socceroo-jimmy-milisavljevic-died-aged-70/tpnj4u5ya. KatoKungLee (talk) 15:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep A World Cup squad player with shown notability per all of above. --SuperJew (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - the Vesti and SBS seem to be good sources showing WP:SIGCOV unless anyone has any reason as to why they should be dismissed. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per the two sources above. Even without that - let's use some commonsense here - Australia's backup keeper during World Cup Qualifiers and the World Cup? We all know there'd be significant coverage at the time - but fortunately Australia is an advanced English-speaking country, we can find it. He's a significant in-depth piece about him that easily meets GNG in the August 1973 The Sydney Morning Herald. There's also other more borderline a 1975 piece in The Age here, though it's a bit interviewy. There's also coverage in The Sydney Morning Herald of his World Cup Qualifier call-up in July 1973.. What else we'd expect is discussions of 1974 in the years afterwards - and we have them, such as this May 2006 piece in The Australian - . This stuff is all easily found in a standard Wikipedia BEFORE search. I'm concerned about the quality of User:Simione001's BEFORE. Nfitz (talk) 20:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. What's there to be said that hasn't been said, sources have been found above that establish significant coverage, thus it fulfills WP:GNG ULPS (talk) 21:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


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