Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Valentine


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The result was   delete. Tone 11:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Jimmy Valentine

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Fails WP:MUSIC, at least as far as the article currently stands, and as far as web searches go.

Article was PRODded, removed by anon IP without explanation. Oli Filth(talk&#124;contribs) 19:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Crockspot (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Jimmy Valentine is notable and influencial in sub culture if for no other reason than he worked with Sky Saxon and is the only artist Sky ever produced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.44.155 (talk) 20:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Jimmy Valentine is worthy of a wiki entry...though he may not have any chart topping hits he does have a significant number of fans as well as widespread notoriety. His work with Sky Saxon and Aaron Peirsol as well as an organizer of the Michigan Peace Fest, the Chicago Peace fest and Hoodilidoo festivals alone should earn him this. He is well known amongst musicians famous and otherwise from coast to coast. I met him and he seems a little crazy but in a good way. I saw him at Hoodilidoo in Herod Illinois and there was not a single person out of over a thousand attendees who did not know who Jimmy Valentine is. He's not Joe Rockstar. He's just a wild musician mad poet type and very accessible and friendly. Thegrubwich (talk) 01:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — Thegrubwich (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please see WP:MUSIC. If any of the criteria listed can be met, then you may be on to something.  Oli Filth(talk&#124;contribs) 09:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- Cyber cobra  (talk) 07:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok Jimmy has without a doubt worked with Sky Saxon on a few occasions...ie GOODSTOCK 2007 AND THE PISCES RISING ALBUM...He did music for Aaron Peirsol..Alice Cooper has played his music on his radio show multiple times. He gets radio play from a lot of NPR stations. Just because he is an underground artist he should not be treated as if he does not exist. In the psychedelic subculture he is both widely known and respected. Sky was a rock and roll icon and referred to Jimmy as his protege. Let the man be in wikipedia and please give him the respect he deserves.76.16.44.155 (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * We need reliable sources that establish notability. Oli Filth(talk&#124;contribs) 15:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the Goodstock thing has been on wiki for a while. there are pictures of Jimmy and Sky together. and here is a link to a video of Aaron Peirsol bodysurfing with Jimmy Valentine's name at the beginning on the credits posted by the company that produced it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtMwtXrkLHM His known association with these people makes him not just your average joe.76.16.44.155 (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. In addition here is a link to Psychedelic central with memorial statements his is right under the Electric Prunes statement. http://www.psychedeliccentral.com/inmemoryofthelegends/skysaxontribute.html   Jimmy holds a lot of weight in the psychedelic community. Psychedelic central normally has tougher rules of acceptance than wikipedia and they published his statement and the now famous pic of him and Sky because they KNEW sky and they know that Sky and Jimmy were friends and worked together. It's common knowledge in the street. Let it be known to the rest of the world.76.16.44.155 (talk) 16:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC) TIME 1:54 to 2:08 Clearly shows J.V. on stage with Sky at GOODSTOCK 2007 playing no escape. Jimmy is playing a gibson l6 instead of his trade mark G&L sc2 or strat, which is rare. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-D61LhLs0c&feature=channel_page 76.16.44.155 (talk) 16:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Jimmy live at goodstock doing an early acoustic sound check set http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9to0Hn4dvIQ&feature=channel_page76.16.44.155 (talk) 17:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Clips from Youtube don't establish notability. What we need is something like news articles, magazine articles or books that discuss the subject in a "non-trivial" manner.  Oli Filth(talk&#124;contribs) 17:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you are splitting hairs. This is the 21st century and only major label people get any physical print anymore the youtube clips are from third parties. Like Goswim and the organizers of GOODSTOCK and Psychedelic Central.com. If this was a court of law, which in many ways it is Jimmy would be guilty as charged without a shadow of doubt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.44.155 (talk) 17:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. as well as Sky mentioning Jimmy in his last interview in regards to a song they were working on together  http://strangedaveshow.podomatic.com/entry/2009-07-03T17_31_23-07_00 76.16.44.155 (talk) 17:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * It doesn't have to be hard copy. If the only available coverage is youtube clips, then the subject isn't notable!  Oli Filth(talk&#124;contribs) 17:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sky mentions him by name in his last interview! The goswim thing is just for promo on youtube.. His music is on the actual dvd by Aaron Piersol. I own it give me an address and I will send you a copy. Aaron is a 5 time olympic medalist and used Jimmy's work on his dvd which has global distribution.76.16.44.155 (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The case for Jimmy is way more than just youtube clips. Check the links and do the research like I have. You may not be a fan like me but don't begrudge him on petty things.
 * If there aren't any suitable sources, then a Wikipedia article isn't appropriate. Oli Filth(talk&#124;contribs) 17:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How is the physical DVD by Aaron Peirsol not suitable or the Sky interview? Or his high rankings on sites like reberbnation? Or the documeted footage of him and Sky at Goodstock.76.16.44.155 (talk) 17:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * because Wikipedia requires better than that. We need multiple, independent, reliable sources that discuss the subject in a non-trivial manner.  None of the things you've suggested so far meet that bar.  Can you find any journalistic coverage, for instance?  Oli Filth(talk&#124;contribs) 17:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * all I can say is if Mr.Blotto is in wiki then he should be. under the WikiProject jam bands and WikiProject Chicago. They have no references and I have given you a half a dozen third party references on Jimmy. It's a shame you want to delete such an important artist, but whatever I give you win! yay! LONG LIVE JIMMY VALENTINE!76.16.44.155 (talk) 18:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. And don't forget that he is referenced on Sky's own website under Seeds 2007 http://skysaxon.com/Biography.html76.16.44.155 (talk) 19:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. As well as in the Sanfrancisco Daily Chron http://www.beyondchron.org/depts/index.php?itemid=7125&catid=376.16.44.155 (talk) 19:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. And http://sixties-l.blogspot.com/2009/07/sky-sunlight-saxon-of-seeds-1937-2009.html76.16.44.155 (talk) 19:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC) — 76.16.44.155 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete Notability not established.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok I'm tired of this. Let's be reasonable people and just take a step back for a second. What needs to be done to make this right? Jimmy is deserving of some mention, more than just a line on Sky Saxon's page. What do we need to do to make this a sound Wiki article. Jimmy has more traces of a notable career than some other artists on Wikipedia. Amie Street is a well known Indie Label. Also YouTube is to journalism as what Wikipedia is to information, so saying youtube clips are sub-par is hypocritical. Please stop the petty bickering and use that thing between your ears thats called a brain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegrubwich (talk • contribs) 03:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC) {{spa|Thegrubwich


 * Delete - Notability not established to meet general notability guidelines or music notability. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to changing vote if sources become available as per the notability guidelines for musicians. Out of the four references given in the article, two are for the record company so are not relaible sources; one is a link to a chart archive site which I suspect is not a reliable source, and produces no hits for "Jimmy Valentine" in any case; the fourth is a link to a swimming website. This is not the standard of sources that are necessary to verify notability. My good-faith search both on the net and in books (I edit wikipedia while in a public library) produces no significant coverage in reliable sources. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 11:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and the the SPA's WP:ILIKEIT reasoning isn't helping it pass. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
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