Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Wilgus


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The result was   delete. Has only been part of one notable ensemble, failing WP:MUSIC #6 NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy Wilgus

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Fails WP:MUSIC, plays for two non-notable bands. 4Front (which Ive also listed as an AFD) has had several albums released but none have charted or were released on a major or well-known indy label. Indeed, Spec Records (see:http://www.joebergamini.com/specrecords/catalog.html#RWG) is run by a band member Joe Bergamini -- If one clicks the contact spec records the email is "specrecords@joebergamini.com". Disputed prod. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 18:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * keep - seems to pass WP:MUSIC 6. he is low profile but seems to get around. if his bands are not notable, this doesn't seem like the place to argue that. it seems like the nominator is trying to create circular reasoning logic for deleting all of these related articles. Tduk (talk) 04:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "he is low profile but seems to get around" -- I don't really know what this means or its relation to notability. Can you elaborate? Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 17:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you be more specific about how this article passes WP:MUSIC #6? The article says that he has been a member of Evoken and 4Front, but does not list any sources to confirm his involvement in Evoken, and that article does not even list him as a current or former band member.  Even assuming the notability of 4Front -- which is in dispute -- I do not think we can take it for granted that he "has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles" if the Wikipedia articles that claim it lack reliable sources. Tim Pierce (talk) 04:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:MUSIC #6 confers notability to "a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." I cannot (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=291, http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-groupe-Evoken-l-en.html, http://www.tartareandesire.com/bands/Evoken/618/,http://www.myspace.com/evoken) find evidence that Wilgus is/ever was a member of Evoken. Moreover, the notability of 4Front is currently being debated. I cannot understand why -- if he is purportedly notable re WP:MUSIC #6 "this doesn't seem like the place to argue that" his bands are not notable. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete With no evidence Wilgus was a member of Evoken and with 4Front's notability seeming to depend on Wilgus's notability he is a member of zero notable bands, less than the two asked for. Without coverage, no notability. duffbeerforme (talk)
 * Delete - since I didn't make it explicit before, given that his sole involvement with Evoken appears to have been peripheral, and his other claim to notability (4Front) has since been decided non-notable. Tim Pierce (talk) 12:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have not heard of him, although notability is different from fame. Anyway, I have heard of some pretty low-profile artists, but not him. I suppose I will partially 2nd what Tim Pierce said earlier. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
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