Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jin Li (violinist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Moved to draft article space. No strong consensus to delete but questions remain as to notability. As an alternative to deletion article has been moved to Draft:Jin Li (violinist) pending improvement. Philg88 ♦talk 07:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Jin Li (violinist)

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Trying to find anything about him, no luck. (also the creator has made this page at least twice as seen here Jin Li(born 1969)) Wgolf (talk) 17:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 18:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 18:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

delete currently first violin in the Singapore Symphony Orchestra, which may be true but individual orchestra members normally don't get articles, and no evidence he is notable beyond that as e.g. a solo artist.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 19:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Keep: I did a search in Google using both "Yehudi Menuhin" and "Jin Li", and I found the following results which seem to establish Jin Li's notability: The Sydney Morning Herald, New York Times, Teen musician brings down Carnegie Hall, and Independent.co.uk. The article should however be completely rewritten as it is too closely paraphrasing this article. Takeaway (talk) 03:48, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ♔   22:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - The most interesting source found by Takeaway is this one because it makes reference to Wikipedia. I am not yet convinced of Jin's notability. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ermmm..., I didn't provide that link to Australia's Greg Hunt citing Wikipedia. The Sydney Morning Herald link I gave was this one about Abbey Road, which contained no mention whatsoever of Wikipedia. As for the article in the Shenzhen Daily of which our WP article is a near copy, it's from 2009 whereas the WP article is from last month. - Takeaway (talk) 23:20, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment-One problem I often come up with while trying to find notability is that I find tons of sources that all go back to wikipedia. Wgolf (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Conditional keep - After reading carefully the sources brought by Takeaway I think Jin is a notable musician. Having said that, I believe we should resort to WP:TNT and re-write this article. As it is now, I would not like to see it in WP. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 22:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * -One of the the things that kept on happening was that it was getting recreated over and over again. Wgolf (talk) 23:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin so that is something that I can't know. Since when already? Seeing that the violinist is indeed notable, it was recreated for the correct reasons, and deleted here each time for the wrong reasons because apparently no one here did their research right... ;-) - Takeaway (talk) 23:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Userfy until adequate sources found. Overall not good sources, reliable yes, but only one was substantive. The NY Times entry appears to be concert listing, not substantive coverage.  the NYT reads in full TIME FOR MUSIC - Tonight's United Nations Day concert, at 7 P.M. in the General Assembly hall, will feature the violinists Yehudi Menuhin and Jin Li. Mr. Jin,, of China, will be joined by the Nippon Hoso Kyokai Symphony Orchestra of Japan, conducted by Yuzo Toyama. It is in the UN Calendar section. The Press-Republican article from September 18, 1985 is a good positive review. The Sydney Herald article was not retrievable. The Independent article was about Prof. Jiang Ming-Dun and the school, it had one sentence about Jin Li, One young violinist, Jin Li, was spotted by Yehudi Menuhin at 13, and brought to Britain to study with the master in Surrey. He became an international star in the early Eighties, playing an acclaimed version of Beethoven's Violin Concerto with the London Symphony Orchestra. It seems likely that there should be other sources out there, but it is also possible that Jin Li was an overnight wonder and did not in fact achieve much notability.  At present I would suggest userfication until substantive sources, most likely to be found in The Times and from magazines of the times (1980s).  At present I would suggest that the article is not ready fro prime time, lacking verification and lacking multiple substantive sources. --Bejnar (talk) 04:13, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The Sydney Morning Herald website is a bit strange. Sometimes it will, but sometimes it won't be able to retrieve the article. The article itself is in part about how Jin Li was brought by Yehudi Menuhin to make a recording exactly 50 years after Menuhin's first recording at the newly opened Abbey Road Studio of 1931, then with Menuhin's own teacher George Enesco. Both times the same Bach violin double concerto was recorded. Apparently, Menuhin thought that Jin Li was notable... ;-) - Takeaway (talk) 13:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * -Sorry I didn't mean as a AFD but the creator kept on making this article with different names each time. Wgolf (talk) 04:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Personal request - Wgolf could you do me the favour of withdrawing this nomination? Some user is trying to arrange the article but I understand they don't know how to use the sources. I think there is enough notability and sufficient sources; we should give this artist's BLP a chance. If suddenly it's deleted per this discussion I would feel bad. Thanks. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * comment an AfD is usually only withdrawn if there are no supporting !votes – see WP:WDAFD – but I for one still support deletion. The sources provided seem either trivial, with only single mentions, or not especially reliable. I don't see the in-depth coverage in reliable sources that's required for notability. A deletion does not stop it being userfied and worked on so is not the last word on the matter if better sources can be found.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 22:08, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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