Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jingle Bells, Batman Smells

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE, HAS BEEN MERGED WITH WIDER ARTICLE

Jingle Bells, Batman Smells
This article is rather pointless. Even if this variation of the song is worth mentioning is should be done in the Jingle Bells article (in fact it already is mentioned there). --Moochocoogle 08:04, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Elf-friend 08:28, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge it with Jingle Bells then hide it as history (delete it only if wikipedia is full of disk space). In order for the poll to be legitimate, after 5 days voters' participation in this poll should exceed 3% of the active voters population. The decision method that should be used in order to decide what to do should be the majority rule method. Whatever the poll's decision is (assuming of course that poll is a legitimate one), it should be irreversible. Iasson 09:49, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I remember that scene Oh my god.. It's full of disk space! Seriously though, please stop adding this nonsense to VfD. If you want to change policy, propose a policy change at the appropriate pages, but don't keep posting this stuff here. VfD is big enough as it is. --fvw *  10:53, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)
 * There is no Vfd policy at all! Nothing is set up in stone there, consensus has not been defined neither a method to extract decisions from a poll. And this 5 days period lag time that does not take into account how many participated in the poll is a total nonscence! Please put in a poll the definition of Vfd consensus, put in a poll what the Vfd decision method should be, then I will stop proposing my own policy. Thank you. Also please try to understand that my policy requires for every proposed for deletion article to have its own (voted) Vfd policy. Not all articles are the same.Iasson 11:09, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * So your "policy" requires you to vote on how to vote on every vote? And you're threatening to keep spamming VfD until someone else makes a poll about an issue that nobody's particularly worried about except you? Somehow your strategy doesn't seem like it's going to win anybody over. RSpeer 18:39, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * This is not the place to promote your proposed policy changes (which I wouldn't support anyway). Wyss 20:03, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, this is not the proper forum. But I also agree with Iasson (to a degree); VfD is consistently inconsistent.  We keep microscopically granular details about Star Trek, Pokemon and other sci-fi and anime related fictional material yet when it comes to real-world things such as educational institutions, famous public roads, etc, there is a distinct shift in the votes and how that vote is handled.  This goes to show you that there is an inherent bias here on Wikipedia as a whole by the voters.  GRider\talk 18:56, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Vote on how to vote on every vote? When did WP become a game of Nomic? Inky 04:13, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I want to negocate with you guys. I am not asking you to follow my complicated policy that applies to every single Vfd poll separately. I am just asking you to vote on just three polls in order to define accurately the Vfd policy for ALL vfd polls. Poll 1: How many votes and in what time period a Vfd poll should take in order to be legitimate one?" Poll 2: "What rule are you going to use in order to extract a decision from a legitimate Vfd poll?" Poll 3:" How long the decision taken from a legitimate Vfd poll should be valid?". Simple questions, that require simple answers. If you cannot answer them, you have not Vfd policy at all. Iasson 02:16, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Common children's song. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:51, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete --fvw *  10:53, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)
 * Delete. Blatant American POV. The artcle doesn't even mention that the British version's last line goes "on the M1 motorway."  ;-)  P Ingerson 10:58, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. utcursch 11:19, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Very common children's song, and relevant to both Jingle Bells and Batman. Could be expanded to include regional and other variations Kappa 11:20, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC) (new vote below)
 * Delete duplication - it already exists in the parodies section of Jingle Bells Icundell 12:30, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete duplication and pointless. violet/riga (t) 15:55, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, already mentioned on Jingle Bells. Rje 16:21, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Jingle Bells.Meelar (talk) 16:53, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is one of the most popular songs in the English Language, and please tell P Ingerson that regardless of whether or not the incident happened on the M1 Motorway, the Penguin got away. Hey? Auto movil 18:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Jingle Bells. Legitimate and notable piece of childrens' folk culture that belongs in the Jingle Bells article and does not need an article of its down. Rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer/Had a very shiny nose like a light bulb!. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:51, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I just redid the section in Jingle Bells. Since we're also debating whether individual Ashlee Simpson songs can have their own articles, I would suggest that "Jingle bells/Batman smells" is a universally-known song, while Ashlee Simpson is merely a currently-promoted celebrity. But what's going to happen is that people will say that Ashlee Simpson is "important," while the Batman-smells thing is just some song that everyone sings. Interesting re: tacit assumptions. If a media conglomorate isn't promoting it, it isn't really 'real.' Auto movil 19:50, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete it. Wyss 20:03, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * You're a contrarian, Wyss. Let's go at it with pool cues. Auto movil 21:08, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Heh heh. I don't think multiple Ashlee Simpson articles littered across wikipedia are helpful, either. Wyss 00:45, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep Merge, this song has been recited by many children for years so in my books that makes it notable (even sung by Bart Simpson on The Simpsons I recall). Megan1967 22:53, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * As above, I've changed my vote to merge with Jingle Bells then delete. Megan1967 02:00, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete it; sure it's a notable song, but it's already in Wikipedia. RSpeer 23:01, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete: Duplicate. Second, the song has a start date, folks.  It came about with the advent of the television show, which is about 1967.  The fact that my generation came up with a song that has stood the test of time (along with "Comet!/ It makes your mouth turn green!") is beside the point: duplicated material, and certainly not encyclopedic by itself.  Geogre 03:37, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Use Ajax! (Bub bub) The foaming toothpaste (Bubba bubba bub bub) Bub bubs your teeth/Right down the drain (Bubba bubba bubba bub!). Dpbsmith (talk) 03:48, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's already been merged; delete this. --Idont Havaname 04:35, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It's been merged, so redirect this. Kappa 05:20, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirection is sufficient. GRider\talk 17:48, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mikkalai 23:20, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Iasson, please stop trolling. Gazpacho 18:43, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Covered adequately in Jingle Bells, which is where to send anyone looking for this. Mindspillage | spill your mind? 22:36, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Jingle Bells. 23skidoo 00:10, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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