Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jiuyin Zhenjing


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Jiuyin Zhenjing

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I couldn't find sources that this is notable. A possible WP:ATD is merge/redirect or just redirect to Condor Trilogy, but I think it would unbalance that article. Boleyn (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Literature, Martial arts,  and China.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  20:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete My search did not find significant reliable independent coverage of this subject. The two references in the article are both from the book, meaning they're not independent.  I didn't find mention of this in the WP articles of any of the books in the trilogy, so I question how significant a role it played in the trilogy--which is why I didn't vote to redirect or merge. Papaursa (talk) 03:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Based on the sources and explanations added by 1.47.133.86 ., I hope you will add these sources and some text to the article. Papaursa (talk) 13:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - The Nine Yin Manual (九陰真經) is a crucial martial arts skill in wuxia fiction, prominently featured in all of Jin Rong's works. Well Should we delete Pokemon just because it is a fictional? The Nine Yin Manual holds greater prominence than Iron Man's armor in South Asian regions. Numerous literary works explore and research the subject, including "中醫處方之九陰真經--談方劑的配伍" and many scholarly articles analyzing the Nine Yin Manual can be found on Google Scholar . Please conduct research and find sources in the Chinese language before proposing deletion. Wikipedia is not exclusively an English language source center, and the absence of English sources is not a valid reason for deletion. Thanks 1.47.133.86 (talk) 23:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that English sources are not required, but providing some specific Chinese sources to evaluate (not a giant list) would be appreciated. Doesn't "中醫處方之九陰真經--談方劑的配伍" refer to prescription compatibility?  Sorry, I'm out of my element with Chinese.  Don't see what Iron Man's armor has to do with the WP notability of this article (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Papaursa (talk) 03:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please don't do this:, . That's campaigning. A neutrally-worded statement would have been OK. Jfire (talk) 03:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, I've been editing Wikipedia for 5 years and have learned about canvassing. I want to clarify that I notified related projects without explicitly requesting "keep" votes or to "save the article." My message only encouraged expressing opinions on the AfD, which is not canvassing. Many editors adopt this approach. If you've observed similar notifications from others, why not address them too? Over the past five years, during quiet or inactive country projects, when a notable article is in AfD, I've sent notifications on the project talk page. This isn't a request for votes, just an invitation for opinions, whether they be "delete" or merge" votes. As you are one of the respected editors I mentioned before, I never intended to oppose you. Pls pardon me. 1.47.133.86 (talk) 08:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per the considerable Chinese-language coverage. — Remsense  诉  23:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you point to some of the best sources? The results on Google Scholar and for "中醫處方之九陰真經--談方劑的配伍" as the above IP user suggested look like content farms and/or different topics. Admittedly I am going off Google Translate though, so I'd appreciate a more detailed assessment from a native speaker. Jfire (talk) 04:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * See below. 1.47.133.86 (talk) 13:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The subject has sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the Nine Yin Manual or Jiuyin Zhenjing (simplified Chinese: 九陰真經) to pass the Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."
 * Sources 
 * Jiuyin Zhenjing is the subject of a mobile game source.
 * 中醫處方之九陰真經－－談方劑的配伍 中醫處方之九陰真經－－談方劑的配伍 (The Prescription of the Nine Yin Manual in Chinese Medicine: A Discussion on the Combination of Herbs) is a scholarly article written by Zhou Minlan (周敏郎), a Taiwanese physician and scholar of traditional Chinese medicine. The article was published in the Taiwan Medical Journal in 2012. In the article, Zhou Minlan discusses the relationship between the Nine Yin Manual, a fictional martial arts manual from the Legend of the Condor Heroes novels, and the principles of Chinese medicine. He argues that the Nine Yin Manual can be seen as a metaphor for the principles of Chinese medicine, particularly the concept of a combination of herbs. He begins by discussing the history and content of the Nine Yin Manual. He notes that the manual is divided into two parts: the internal martial arts and the external martial arts. The article argues that the Nine Yin Manual can be seen as a valuable resource for understanding the principles of Chinese medicine.
 * 李连杰亲临现场，《九阴真经》全球首届武侠电竞大赛收官 - The inaugural "Nine Yin Manual" Global Wuxia Esports Tournament is named to honor the Nine Yin Manual in Jing Yong’s novel. Tencent Games and Perfect World co-hosted the tournament. The opening ceremony saw the presence of renowned martial arts star Jet Li.
 * The Study of Martial Arts Secret Books on Jin Yong Novel Edition Correction: "Jiuyin-zhen-jing" as The Main Example is a scholarly article by Chen Junhong, published in Chinese Literature World in 2012. The article discussed the importance of the Nine Yin Manual with other manuals such as Jade Maiden's Heart Sutra, Wu Mu's Legacy, Sunflower Manual, and Six Yang Palm. That stated, "In Jin Yong's early works, particularly Legend of the Condor Heroes and The Return of the Condor Heroes, the manuals are often epitomized by the "Nine Yin Manual". This comprehensive text encompasses various aspects of martial arts, including internal and external skills, weaponry, light body techniques, and hidden weapons. Protagonists like Guo Jing and Yang Guo owe their advancements in martial prowess to studying this manual."
 * The article 道"的阐释与追寻——《射雕英雄传》的原型解读 (The Interpretation and Pursuit of "Dao"—The Prototype Interpretation of "The Legend of the Condor Heroes") is a critical essay by Chinese scholar Li Xiaoping published in the Journal of the Gansu Institute of Education. The essay explores the theme of "dao" (道, the Way) in Jin Yong's martial arts novel and the Nine Yin Manual.
 * <li>The book 武俠小說話古今 discusses the close relationship between the "九陰真經" (Jiuyin Zhenjing) and the "道德經" (Tao Te Ching).
 * (Page 68)
 * The Nine Yin True Scripture is closely related to the Dao De Jing. The Nine Yin True Scripture was written by Huang Shang of the Northern Song Dynasty after he had read all the Daoist books in the world and comprehended the true meaning of martial arts. The first line of the scripture, "The way of heaven is to subtract from the excess and supplement the deficiency; therefore, the weak and the insufficient can overcome the strong and the excessive," is the same as the meaning of the Dao De Jing by Laozi. It can be said that the Dao De Jing is the mother of the Nine Yin True Scripture.
 * (Page 100)
 * Yang Kang, who was obsessed with the Nine Yin True Scripture, became insane and a madman, but his martial arts became even more powerful. Even the combined efforts of Hong Qigong and Huang Yaoshi were not his match. Another person who is astonishing is Wuqing, the leader of the Four Constables. The book says that this person has an empty abdomen, and his legs are all missing. He has neither internal energy nor martial arts, but his lightness skills are superb and his hidden weapons are the best in the world. I wonder how he practiced these light skills and hidden weapons.
 * (Page 146)
 * The Nine Yin True Scripture, the Northern Divine Art, and the Empty-Void Fist are all closely related to the teachings of Laozi and Zhuangzi. In his novels, he often quoted Buddhist scriptures and verses, and he was not just a martial artist who knew how to fight.</li>
 * <li>The book Discussing Martial Arts and Analyzing Swords by Hong Zhenkuai, 2007, discusses the significance of the "Jiuyin Zhenjing" in Jin Yong's novels, particularly in "The Legend of the Condor Heroes," "The Return of the Condor Heroes," and "Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils." "Jiuyin Zhenjing" is portrayed as a pivotal element, influencing major events in these novels.
 * Page 216
 * In his book "The True and False Classics: The Phenomenon of Martial Arts Manuals in Martial Arts Novels," Hong Zhenkuai argues that the most famous martial arts manual in Jin Yong's novels is the Nine Yin True Scripture. The major events of Jin Yong's best novels, including The Legend of the Condor Heroes, The Return of the Condor Heroes, and The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber, were all caused by the Nine Yin True Scripture. The Nine Yin True Scripture is a powerful and mysterious manual that has been passed down for generations.
 * Page 222
 * The Nine Yin True Scripture was created by a Daoist monk named Huang Shang in the Northern Song Dynasty. It was hidden in a secret location for many years, but it suddenly appeared in the world one day. The appearance of the Nine Yin True Scripture caused a great stir in the martial arts world. Many people wanted to possess the manual, including the leaders of the major martial arts sects.
 * Page 227
 * The first Huashan Sword Meeting was held to determine who would be the rightful owner of the Nine Yin True Scripture. The winner of the meeting would be the one who could defeat all the other participants. In the end, the meeting was won by Wang Chongyang, the founder of the Quanzhen sect.
 * Hong Zhenkuai argues that the Nine Yin True Scripture should have been kept by Wang Chongyang. He believes that giving the manual to anyone else would have led to a change in the cultural and religious beliefs of the martial arts world. This is evident in the effects that the Nine Yin True Scripture had on those who practiced it. Guo Jing, who learned the manual from Wang Chongyang, became a powerful and righteous warrior. However, Yang Kang, who also learned the manual, became a ruthless and ambitious man.</li></ul>1.47.133.86 (talk) 12:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above sources provided by 1.47.133.86. That's convincing, thanks for taking the time to translate and summarize. Hope those sources make it into the article, which except for the first sentence, is written entirely from an in-universe perspective. Jfire (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources provided by 1.47.133.86. Significant coverage in journal articles, books based on it and news of the esports tournament which is named after it.  94rain  <sup style="color:gold">Talk  09:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources provided, and tidy up a bit. Bduke (talk) 11:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep by sources provided above. Lethweimaster (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


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