Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jive Jones


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The result was no consensus. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:59, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Jive Jones

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This page was created 12 years ago with no references, and none have been added since. I've made more than one good faith search and came up with nothing. The artist released a single album, "Me, Myself, & I", which achieved no chart entries (the US and the UK), and no significant media coverage. This page seems to serve only promotional purposes, and doesn't have any encyclopedic value. SteveStrummer (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep has two top twenty Dutch chart hits which suggests a pass of WP:NMUSIC criteria 2 but more sources are needed, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete While I disagree with Steve on the article being promotional, there isn't much here. 12 years have come and gone and no sources have been added. While Atlantic has good points, there just isn't enough here to justify having the article stay. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 05:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per criteria 2 versus WP:SIGCOV. I removed the proposed deletion tag for this page, because deleting it without a debate might be controversial. I've found some coverage, including a passing reference in Italian, but not much. Bearian (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - per rationale provided by Bearian, his work has been on the chart in more than one country and per that single guideline I believe article could be retained & article creator tasked to find more references to substantiate notability claims.Celestina007 (talk) 16:07,  26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The article's creator's last edit was in July 2007, so he's likely long gone. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 17:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be super if this coverage could be added to the article, or at least linked here, so we could evaluate it. SteveStrummer (talk) 16:45, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Move to draft pending the suggested improvements. BD2412  T 02:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Draftify - Strongly suggest to be heavily edited for improvements. Or else, just delete it - Jay (talk) 06:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - As per item #2 in WP:BAND, this artist is notable because they have had two top 20 hits in the Dutch Top 40, as verified here:  He has also written songs which have charted in multiple countries; see this Italian page, and our article Cowboys & Kisses; not to mention producing Candy (Mandy Moore song) which charted in a bunch of countries.  I can’t verify his role in “I Bet You Will”, so that should probably be removed from the article, but the other stuff and how well the music he has performed, written, or produced has done establishes notability.  Samboy (talk) 07:05, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , WP:BAND states an artist "may be notable by satisfying at least one of its criteria. The Dutch charts apparently fulfill that one criterion, but the songwriting and production work is not notable unless it's received significant coverage in RS. I'm not convinced by the Italian link you provided: are you sure it's about the right person? Because according to that, one of his credits dates back to 1981—when Jones would be 1 year old. SteveStrummer (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I can be sure that the 1981 song (an early Limahl single) was produced by someone else using the same name. See this description and Limahl’s own take on that 1981 song.   In terms of “Cowboy & Kisses” and that Italian page, it lines up with What Discogs has to say about what Jive has done.  In terms of the Mandy Moore song, I can verify Jive’s involvement (Here, he is credited by his birth name, Denny Kleinman) Samboy (talk) 00:34, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:10, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


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