Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jiyul


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  05:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Jiyul

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Singer of limited notability outside the group Dal Shabet - no significant claims outside the group. Tried redirecting, but a COI editor constantly reverted, so going this route. MikeWazowski (talk) 03:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page for the exact same reason:
 * MikeWazowski (talk) 04:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — I, Jethrobot drop me a line 04:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  — I, Jethrobot drop me a line 04:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 *  SNOW Delete There are no sources in this article. After trying to verify some of her appearances, I was able to find  this debut information of the group, but nothing about Jiyul specifically.  I wasn't able to find sources verifying her appearances on the shows listed.  Even if I did, this still doesn't do anything to separate her notability from the band.  (I might also note that the page for the band, Dal Shabet is also completely unsourced.) I, Jethrobot drop me a line 05:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Without commenting on the merits of the nomination, I would like to note that "snow delete" does not mean "I really think this should be deleted"; it means "I think the discussion should be closed early because there is no way it will survive, based on the way the vote is going." Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 05:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies, my SNOW deletion was based on a lack of success at finding anything likely to support notability, which was consistent with the nominator. But you are correct, it should have waited, and the discussion should be given the appropriate amount of time to run its course. I, Jethrobot drop me a line 05:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect both to Dal Shabet. That article is unsourced but it appears the group might be sufficiently notable.--Michig (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Please do not delete the article Jiyul i have improved it and all the information I found was in fydalshabet.tumblr.com please look through the website and enter Jiyul's section!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mushroom2508 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately Tumblr is not a reliable source. Jiyul would have had to be covered by several reliable sources in order to be considered notable enough to warrant an article here. If you can find those sources, then the article can stay. Throwaway85 (talk) 09:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't understand! you're not dalshabet 's fan and you don't know any of their facts! if you search dalshabet profile then all of it will be same as the tumblr one! or you can just go on dalshabetlove.net and all the facts will still be the same! btw the i have change the living person why is there still the box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mushroom2508 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you click the links I posted, you can read about what kinds of sources are acceptable on Wikipedia. We can't use self-published material because it is neither neutral nor verifiable.  We can only use secondary sources that have a reputation for editorial review.  Thus, a magazine or newspaper article on the singer would qualify as a good reliable source, but the band's myspace or tumblr page would not.  I know it seems like you should be able to add information that you know is true, but if everyone did that Wikipedia wouldn't be very useful, as everybody thinks different things are true.  That's why we can only use reliable secondary sources.  If you can't find any for Jiyul, then they might just not be notable enough yet to warrant having their own article.  See WP:BAND for our policies on what makes an artist notable enough for an article. Throwaway85 (talk) 05:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * why do the singer have to win or get nominate award like grammy or juno to have article? lots of other korean singer has article but they don't even have thoses award like grammy and stuff! If that one was skipped out then Dalshabet(jiyul is a member of that band) would pass like 8 or 7 of those criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.3.18.71 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 July 2011
 * Unfortunately, because Wikipedia content is entirely user-generated, and articles are in varying stages of development, a given subject's notability generally cannot be supported by existing content on Wikipedia. Also, singers don't have to win or get nominated for awards to be on Wikipedia, there are lots of other criteria that can be used instead. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 06:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, not redirect Not notable.  I looked for sources and couldn't find any.  In doing so, however, I found another Jiyul, a buddhist nun and environmental protester who has gained significant coverage.  Thus, Jiyul should probably be about her, instead. If the singer ever becomes notable enough for an article, it could be titled Jiyul (Singer). Throwaway85 (talk) 00:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BAND (notability criteria for musicians); WP:RS and WP:INDY (no independent reliable sources); WP:COI and/or WP:AUTOBIO (appears to have been largely edited by the subject or by someone closely connected to the subject). I can't support a redirect to Dal Shabet because that article evidently suffers from the same problems and probably ought to be deleted as well.  I mean no disrespect to Jiyul or Dal★Shabet, and I wish them well in their careers, but there just doesn't seem to be the level of notability at this time that Wikipedia requires.   Rich wales (talk · contribs) 03:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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