Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JoJo's untitled third studio album


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 21:05, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

JoJo's untitled third studio album

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Yet another rumour fest that violates WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NALBUMS, and WP:HAMMER. Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumours. A project that has gone on this long may never come to fruition, and we shouldn't be tracking all the various rumours and tidbits that appear about it. We can have an article about the album when there's an album. &mdash;Kww(talk) 20:15, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. We can make article again, when it's 100% sure, that album comes. Just redirect page to JoJo is now okey. --Stryn (talk) 20:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:HAMMER. No objections to incubation or userfying. --BDD (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well enough sourced article about the background to a forthcoming album. I would have gone for a merge to the artist article, but there's too much here for that to be reasonable, so best to keep it separate. --Michig (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If there is many sources, it does not mean that we have to keep the article. And if there's too much text that we can't merge it, it's not a reason to keep it. I think that (unfortunately) this album will never come out. --Stryn (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Incubate or userfy. Quite frankly, there's a lot of useful information here. Clearly, her upcoming album is notable, but it just keeps being pushed back. I think incubation or userfying would be the best bet. — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 12:51, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, JoJo has been working on the album a long time, granted. The album has been completed several times and restarted several times so all the information is actually useful. This isn't a violation of WP:CRYSTAL because its not actually an indiscriminate collection of rumours. Its all confirmed information direct from reliable sources being the artists or labels. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  17:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll just point out that the standard is not whether the statements are reliably sourced, but whether the event described in the article is almost certain to happen. None of the various failed albums described in this article have ever met that standard.&mdash;Kww(talk) 07:21, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment, and I shall point out that if JoJo was to never release another album the article would still have relevance as it documents a part of her career. Whether another album is released or not it doesn't change the fact that she recorded an album called Can't Take That Away from Me that was delayed numerous times before being re-recorded and renamed Jumping Trains which was also ultimately shelved. It boils down to an interpretation of the guidelines. Much of this article details events that already happened, that is the recording sessions for two previous incarnations of the album. If the bulk of the article was about the upcoming incarnation of the album then i'd say userfy but given that the majority of the article is about previous recording sesssions there is much useful information which cannot all be merged to the artist's own page. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  13:32, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep A few dodgy statements, but all in all a useful article. However, if consensus doesn't swing to a keep, I would strongly suggest incubation as the article will almost certainly be recreated in the next few months. —  Andrew s talk  06:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:28, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Being well-sourced and having useful information is not a consideration here because we don't have an official release date or even an official title. The existence of this article is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL, and for an album that has been in the making for five years, the speculation about its release could go on forever. Till  02:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Stop. WP:HAMMERtime. (Delete) - The Bushranger One ping only 03:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.