Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jo Bender


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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 13:52, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Jo Bender

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Bender was Miss Minnesota but that alone is not enough to justify an article. Her role in broadcasting I was able to find references to from her employer, but no 3rd party sources showing that she is actually notable for such. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:57, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:09, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 07:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:10, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Keep She won the Miss Minnesota Pageant in 1992. She's also a broadcaster as well as worked as a television reporter and meteorologist on four different stations, KSTP-TV, KARE-11 TV, WCCO-TV and KMSP TV. [|Perhaps this is a 3rd party source] 208.79.11.74 (talk) 05:20, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * How is that actually satisfying our own policies? Especially when the only listed source above is a clear PR? SwisterTwister   talk  05:58, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLP1E. Longevitydude (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect Just from reading the nomination, the topic is known publicly for roles in broadcasting, and we can assume based on newer related internet results that the topic received international attention for competing in the Miss America contest.  Anyone appearing on public broadcast television on a major television station such as ABC KSTP, NBC KARE-11, CBS WCCO-TV, and Fox KMST has attracted the attention of the world at large over a period of time and is prima facie notable.  Further, these two factors combine in determining notability.  WP:BEFORE D1 shows that the topic is found in two Google books, 2014 and 2015.   is a five-paragraph follow-up in 2014 that I found by searching for "Jo Rathmanner".  That source states, "After winning the 1992 Miss Minnesota pageant, she competed at the 1993 Miss America Pageant and was selected as a talent winner for her performance on the fiddle. Rathmanner worked for news stations, including KTTC-TV in Rochester, in the the 1990s and 2000s before moving into teaching...'The [Miss America] program allowed me...the opportunity to play my fiddle in hundreds of different venues.' " Further, notability is not an AfD factor here, as per WP:IGNORINGATD.  In this regard the nomination had a duty to provide arguments both against merger, and using WP:R to provide an argument against redirection.  While notability has no standing in Miss America Beauty Pageant AfDs, the current article only has one source, and verifiability is a core content policy.  Unscintillating (talk) 19:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as there's nothing to save the history of an unconvincing career when it was only mere participation and nothing else beyond it, there's numerous and numerous of participation, some which only participate in a few or nearly none at all, which equals no significance, and thus no substance in this case. We're not a model listing webhost and there certainly wouldn't be an article for each person, simply because it existed. SwisterTwister   talk  05:58, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the word "significance", the WP:A7 "credible claim of significance" only requires that the article have a statement that "would be likely to persuade some of the commentators at a typical" AfD discussion to !vote for keep. Unscintillating (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Merriamwebster.com definition 9 for model is "one who is employed to display clothes or other merchandise" Beauty pageant contestants are not models.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:IDLI states, "While some editors may dislike certain kinds of information, that alone isn't enough for something to be deleted...Such claims require an explanation of which policy the content fails and explanation of why that policy applies as the rationale for deletion." Unscintillating (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


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