Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joan Bergere


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. JohnCD (talk) 12:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Joan Bergere

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Only claim of importance was being burned in a single news event, 73 years ago. Fails WP:NOT, WP:1E. Ray Talk 07:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions.  --  Ray  Talk 22:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't write articles about people based on a single news story. I can find no other sources on her other than that she was part of the ensemble for Hellzapoppin the following year. Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Do not delete the importance of Bergere is noteworthy because of her youth, the Clyde Beatty Circus-Cole Brothers, of which she was a member. and her being a burn victim. Her membership in the Alan K. Foster girls troupe is significant as is her residence which has been established. Residence, affiliation, and the Bergere name are important to the study of history and genealogy of New York City at this time. The paucity of articles to be found on the internet is no reason for the proposed deletion. Instead, this is the action of a single individual who seeks to trim valid Wikipedia content because of not being able to add something of interest himself. The article has been added to already and will likely be supplemented with additional text in the future. At the very least someone who is involved with circus history should be summoned to determine the article's merits or lack thereof. Currently it is merely an act of a person who is looking to make a statement for himself. This makes Wikipedia suffer by having "lone" crusaders who are really not looking to improve the content, but merely to increase the number of "edits" (albeit poor ones) he/she has made, and then note the edit number on a profile page.--Robert (talk) 16:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Deleting articles on non-notable people doesn't make anyone a crusader. Stick to writing about notable topics and your articles won't be deleted. You can slag off the deletion nominator all you like, but it won't save your article. Fences  &amp;  Windows  20:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

It depends on what your criterion for "noteworthy" is and you have no right to advise me regarding the topics I choose. Is Britney Spears noteworthy? I don't think so, and a few years from now most people could care less about her. The danger to Wikipedia from an editor like you is you dip into areas in which you have little or no knowledge, merely to make an edit. It makes your ego inflate to gain a measure of self-importance by deleting someone else's content. Perhaps you might take a writing course and learn to broaden your editing skills to include adding rather than subtracting? Just thinking....--Robert (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - As far as can be discerned from the article, and my own searches, he main claim to fame is being a burn victim. Wikpedia isn't for recordingnews reports.  If she has done something that meets WP:ENTERTAINER it not evident in the current article. -- Whpq (talk) 19:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Foster's credits as choreographer, director, producer, and performer at http://www.ibdb.com/person.php?id=14807. The young women needed talent to qualify for Foster's troupe for certain. Why the rush to delete, does someone have a deadline? This is not merely a "News" story, but one which has a number of areas of significance. Foster was involved with productions which pertained to the circus, i.e. "Jumbo" (1935-1936) and "The Circus Princess" (1927). In fact Bergere is listed as a performer in the cast of "Hellzapoppin", a musical revue which played from 1938-1941 for 1404 performances at several different venues (The Winter Garden Theatre, 46th Street Theatre, and The Majestic Theatre). Both the Allen K. Foster Girls and the Chester Hale Girls appeared in Busby Berkeley musicals.--Robert (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC) --Robert (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)--Robert (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 *  Do Not Delete -Actually both Bergere and Joyce Cooke are noteworthy by being members of the Allen K. Foster troupe. Foster was a noted choreographer whose Allen K. Foster Girls performed in "The Cocoanuts" (1929). As a performer and then a producer, there is an extensive list of
 * Comment - Please, only one !vote per customer. If you need to add additonal commentary, you can prefix it with something like "Comment". -- Whpq (talk) 17:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, regardless of what you think is or is not noteworthy, this actress doesn't appear to be notable. Please read our definition of notability, which differs significantly from your subjective opinion or my subjective opinion of what is or is not important or significant.  Nyttend (talk) 15:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.