Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joanna Simon (mezzo-soprano)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Joanna Simon (mezzo-soprano)

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Seemingly WP:NN sister of famous person. There are a number of passing mentions of her in reviews, mentions in books written about her sister, but the only in-depth article I could find about her is already in the article where she was left out of Walter Cronkite's will.

Disclosure: Per the talk page, this article read like a PR piece and I've removed the puffery, unsourced name-dropping and unsourced claims of grandeur, most of which were via association with her sister or other cast members.

WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:BLP1E seem to apply.

Toddst1 (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Toddst1 (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women,  and New York. Shellwood (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep - I have added in coverage of her singing, work as a realtor and with the NewsHour, and her relationship with Walter Cronkite. I also pulled back in a few details that had been deleted, and added citations for those statements I recovered. There is additional coverage of her singing career, but I did not know which pieces/roles were the most important to include. DaffodilOcean (talk) 04:14, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * One more comment - the 1997 article in the New York Times does not even mention her sisters, there are also two earlier NYTimes articles centered on her 1975 recital DaffodilOcean (talk) 04:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clearly passes criteria 1 of WP:MUSICBIO as a singer in leading roles with multiple opera companies and as a concert singer with major orchestras internationally ( such as New York City Opera, Salzburg Festival, Bordeaux Opera, New York Philharmonic, etc.) over a 25 year period (1960, 1970s, and into the mid 1980s). Additionally she also won the Metropolitan Opera National Council Auditions in 1962 and was awarded the Marian Anderson Award (see which profiles her career and verifies the facts stated previously), so she also passes criteria 9 of MUSICBIO. Further, there are lots of reviews of those performances both in the article and in a standard WP:BEFORE search (which I doubt was followed). Additionally, she won an Emmy Award for her work as a writer/correspondent for The MacNeil / Lehrer NewsHour (verified in the article to the NYT article about Simon) which means she passes criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO and criteria 4 of WP:NJOURNALIST.4meter4 (talk) 09:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep – Significant coverage in reputable sources, sang in a world premiere, sang in major venues, an award – that's not "1 event" or "inherited". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:53, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Well-documented career; multiple major roles with major companies, to say nothing of the other aspects of her work. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:42, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article has been completely rewritten over the last few days and establishes notability with plenty of cited reliable sources. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep after rewriting, notability has been established clearly. ZanciD (talk) 16:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per WP:HEY. The article is worlds different than the state it was in when nominated for deletion, and very clearly meets WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO, to say nothing of specific criteria of WP:JOURNALIST (the criteria of which she also appears to meet). - Aoidh (talk) 05:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Thanks to recent improvements by 4meter4. MrsSnoozyTurtle 11:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY. National Emmy Award winner, she was also a principal singer with a major opera company. Bearian (talk) 14:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


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