Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jocelyn Curteanu


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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Jocelyn Curteanu

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WP:BLP of a person notable only as a municipal councillor in a small city and non-winning candidate for higher office. As always, neither of these are WP:NPOL-passing roles -- unelected candidates get articles only if they have other claims of preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy per se, and municipal councillors get articles only if they can be demonstrated as having a credible claim to being much more special than most other municipal councillors, by virtue of the ability to write and source a substantial article about her political impact. But this demonstrates neither of those things, and instead is referenced solely to her own primary source profile on the city's self-published website and run of the mill verification that her municipal council elections and unsuccessful run for the legislature happened, which is not enough to make a person notable for this. And no, "first person of her particular ethnic background to do this not otherwise notable thing in her own city" is not a distinction that makes her more special than other small city municipal councillors either. (Note that while four other past or present Whitehorse city councillors do have articles, all four of them have articles because they were MLAs who actually served in the Yukon Legislative Assembly at other times in their careers, and absolutely nobody else has an article just for serving on Whitehorse city council per se.) Bearcat (talk) 14:57, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails NPOL, coverage is just routine coverage of a city council election. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  15:03, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Right now it's sitting in the no consensus zone, but some further analysis of the sourcing presented by Beccaynr versus policy may be of value. Giving this another seven days.
 * Delete: Easily fails WP:NPOL. Regarding WP:GNG, the little coverage that exists seems to be routine election coverage. Curbon7 (talk) 20:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand, because there appears to be at least WP:BASIC sourcing distinguishing her from simply being elected to city council multiple times, e.g. The drive to get more Filipino Canadians into politics (CBC Calgary·Filipino Bureau, 2021), In small city Whitehorse, Yukon, COVID-19 poses unique challenges (The Phillipine Reporter, 2020), Whitehorse’s first Filipina city councillor campaigns to become Yukon’s first Filipina MLA (Canadian Filipino) RIDING PROFILE | Copperbelt South — Jocelyn Curteanu, Scott Kent, Philippe LeBlond, Lois Moorcroft (CBC North, 2016), Canada's Language Map Looks Way Different Without English Or French (HuffPost Canada, 2015), Feeling cold this winter? Try living up North! (Times of India, 2014), and multiple independent and reliable sources are reporting "first person of her particular ethnic background" with WP:SECONDARY context, including the political impact, so it is not WP:OR. Beccaynr (talk) 22:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete A straight up fail of WP:NPOL. A councillor. What is there is routine election news.   scope_creep Talk  07:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Beccaynr - there does seem to be coverage of her activities outside of routine election coverage. Besides the sources already cited in the discussion, a quick search also finds things like her successfully creating an anti-racism committee in the city and her involvement in climate crisis debates on the council NHCLS (talk) 11:48, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep While her actual accomplishments are nothing special, it appears there are enough sources to meet GNG. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 12:14, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:BASIC with sources presented by Beccaynr. They're reliable enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 00:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete City council members almost never bass notability. Candidates for public office will almost always get some coverage, but we have consistently decided that this coverage is not in and of itself enough to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete running unsuccessfully for political office does not lead to notability, nor does being a mayor of a small city--Whitehosue has 25,000 population--the usual figure or which we generaly codier that being a mayor presumes notability is 100,000. Personally, I would liketo liberalize therule about political candidates, but I have proposed it several times over the years, and consensus has always been against me.  There are no special factors here--the coverage is routine and does not meet the substantial 3rd party reliable published sources, not press releases or blogs or postings or mere notices  for GNG.  DGG ( talk ) 20:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable politician per WP:NPOL. No other significant posts held nor activities done unlike, for example, Pipoy Silva, who became a councilor of Manila and briefly became the Vice Mayor. He was also an actor which merits him an article. Hiwilms   Talk   18:44, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


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