Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jody McIntyre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to 2010 UK student protests. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:12, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Jody McIntyre

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Seems to fall into both WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS. The subject is a disabled political activist who was manhandled from his wheelchair by the police during a demonstration and dragged along the ground. He subsequently received a less than sympathetic response from some members of the media. This article seems to have been created in rsponse to a BBC interview conducted on 13 December which received a raft of complaints because of the tone of the interviewer, an article which appeared in the Daily Mail, and the subsequent media furore this has created. The article was PRODded for deletion earlier, but I feel a discussion is probably more appropriate as there appears to be at least one other incident he has been involved in. I would personally favour redirecting this to an appropriate article if we have one as he clearly has some notability, but he doesn't seem to meet the guidelins for his own article. TheRetroGuy (talk) 15:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC) He is now a regular writer for The Independent newspaper - http://blogs.independent.co.uk/author/jody-mcintyre/. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.30.56 (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Actually I've just found 2010 UK student protests which I feel is an appropriate place to redirect this, so I'll withdraw the debate and do that. The information can be added to that article as the incident itself is notable and worthy of mention. If Mr McIntyre becomes notable in other respects then we can always restart this article later. Cheers. TheRetroGuy (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As the tag's still there, I've taken the liberty of reopening, especially as a contested PROD. Basically, the nom has summed up my reason for prodding it in the first place; McIntyre is simply not notable enough, as a living person, to warrant an article. Normally with people notable for one event but the event is notable in itself, we focus on the event, not the person. An example is the Death of Ian Tomlinson, as Tomlinson wasn't notable, but his death was. However, I don't believe there is enough information to warrant a "dragging of Jody McIntyre out of his wheelchair" article. The alternative is to merge to 2010 UK student protests, but that article already contains information about McIntyre and any more would disrupt the [[ of the article. Hence, we should redirect the article, at the very least. [[User:Sceptre|Sceptre (talk) 07:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree with you. I actually added what I thought was relevant of this to the Student protest article (which I wasn't aware of when I opened this afd), so I think that might be the information you're referring to. Much as this generated a lot of media interest because what happened to him is a disgrace, and the behaviour of the police - and some in the media - leaves a lot to be dsired, I don't think he's notable enough for his own article. But as I said, the event itself is noteworthy of mention in the context of the student protests. I closed the debate because I thought it was resolved and had been the one to start it, and redirected the page to 2010 UK student protests, but it seems the article's creator had different ideas. Having said all that, I've no problem if people want to keep this debate open for a few days and add their thoughts. For the record I'm still in favour of a redirect. TheRetroGuy (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I just watched a new interview on the Guardian with Jody McIntyre, and came to Wikipedia to find out who he was. I'm American, and although I was vaguely aware of an incident with police roughing up a man in a wheelchair at the education demonstrations, I appreciated finding a succinct article explaining who he is. A redirect would probably explain the subject, but the present article seems more worthy of Wikipedia than gigabytes of irrelevant self-promotion to be found in this site... :) Nimmolo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:15, 21 December 2010 (UTC).
 * That could make him more notable, although lots of people write for newspapers and we don't have articles for all of them. Taken together with the demo and the Palestine stuff, however, it's adding weight to the case for a keep. TheRetroGuy (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge. Unequivocal WP:BIO1E, little doubt he would have had zero attention had it not been for that incident. Also substantial neutrality issues, but that's secondary to the lack of notability outside of one event. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 15:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge A clear WP:BLP1e at this point in time. However given that he is now a commentator for the Independent, my [[Image:Crystalball.jpg|20px]]crystal ball tells me we should be open to article recreation in the not too distant future.  Not merging now, however, would violate WP:CRYSTAL. Sailsbystars (talk) 16:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect per my previous comments. Still not notable enough for his own article, but may become so in time depending on what else he does. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the article should stay, but it's disappointing when contributions are deleted. I pointed to a blog written by the subject which doesn't portray him quite such a victim and found it deleted very quickly.  If the page continues to be used as propoganda it should be deleted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richeva (talk • contribs) 19:53, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure the page is being used as propaganda, but I'm concerned that the addition of the link has some agenda attached to it, particularly with the comments you made. As I've said, we're not a news service, and this article was seemingly created because of a news item. If you wish to editorialise about this subject there are plenty of forums where you can do so, but Wikipedia isn't one of them. TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge. His blogging and other writings, alas, do not qualify him per WP:AUTHOR or WP:BK.  Qworty (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.