Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Andrew (footballer)


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The result was   delete. Wizardman 19:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Joe Andrew (footballer)

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Contested prod. He has played football for a semi-professional club, but fails WP:ATHLETE because he has not participated in a fully professional match. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  22:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. FA cup and League Cup appearances between football clubs at the national level = notable. – iride  scent  20:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All of those games are at a semi-professional level. Please read WP:ATHLETE. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:ATHLETE doesn't apply to football & cricket, per very very lengthy discussions. Please read the football notability guidelines which differ from WP:ATHLETE. "Have played in a competitive fixture between two "FPNL clubs" (in the FA Cup or League Cup, non-English equivalent, Continental or Intercontinental club competition)" equals notable for WP purposes. – iride  scent  20:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "FPNL" means Fully Professional National Level. Alloa Athletic are not fully professional. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Plus of course WP:FOOTYN was roundly rejected by the overall community and therefore is in no way binding anyway -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "WP:ATHLETE doesn't apply to football & cricket, per very very lengthy discussions" - can you expand on that? Why wouldn't it apply? Nfitz (talk) 00:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Jimbo[online] 23:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Though the notability guidelines for this are ambiguous when cups are taken into account. Brilliantine (talk) 00:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The notability guidelines in that area are equally clear. A cup game has to be between two fully professional clubs. He has played against fully professional clubs in cup ties, but not for one. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 12:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He played in senior football in Scotland in 2007/08. Andrew himself was part time with Alloa but all his appearances were in "fully professional" matches in the SFL. For whats it worth several games were against full-time opposition. If playing in Divisions 2 and 3 is grounds for deletion you have a lot of work to do. Andrew is now back in the junior ranks with Arthurlie.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domhnall1979 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See above, the matches were by definition not fully professional because Alloa are a semi-professional club. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


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