Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Atlan


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The result was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) Cindy  ( talk ) 00:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Joe Atlan

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Looks like an advertisement. Lacks notability as per WP:MUSBIO. Sources are either/and primary, biased or insignificant secondary. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Doesn't meet N or GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi everybody! I am the author of the article. When I saw the tags I read a little bit about the guidelines and I understood many things, some other I would like you to explain me a little bit more. So far I have to say: It's true that the article may seem more from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view, because I am a fan of this musician since some time ago. But it's definitely not an advertisement! Okay so, I will then proceed to delete and correct all the things that may not seem neutral. If you find more things that I didn't, please let me know, thanks!

Regarding the additional sources for verification, I will try to look for them and give as many as I can. That shouldn't be hard hopefully. What I didn't understand completely is the primary sources thing, could you let me know a little bit more about it? I didn't really understand it, and would appreciate it! Thank you

Finally, regarding the notability, I gave a read to the WP:MUSBIO and while it says that it needs to meet at least one of the following criteria, it actually meets at least three of those!

-Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself: Joe Atlan has appeared multiple times in newspaper articles, magazines, and online versions of print media. I will try to introduce more references to this in the article.

-Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country: The musician participated in an international concert tour with Timo Tolkki, I will introduce sources and maybe pictures that were published.

-Has won or placed in a major music competition.: Atlan was one of the winners in Youfestalent as it says in the article, a competition open to the whole world organized by Youtube that allows the winners to play on stage with renown artists like Sungha Jung or Rick Astley. Link to Youfest site.

Anyways, as I said, I will try to improve the article now. I would appreciate that someone helped me correcting it instead of marking it for deletion, it's very easy to just delete something! Thanks in advance!--Tolkki4Win (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit: Made several corrections, adding sources and removing biased words or non-neutral statements. Will continue when I have some more time. Would appreciate your opinion about it, thank you!--Tolkki4Win (talk) 14:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Still needs work to meet WP:GNG. I would suggest checking out WP:RS for some help with sources. Most of the references as of right now are primary sources. I don't think anyone is going to hit the delete button anytime in the next couple of days. If you can get some good sources that establish notability as per WP:N I will very happily withdraw my nomination for deletion. You need to post links to or even just citations of, print articles in reputable news papers, other encyclopedic entries, significant secondary source reviews of his music etc. Blogs and websites that are connected to or about the subject are not good sources. Likewise youtube videos. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help! I have been working on it more following your suggestions. This is what I have done so far:
 * -Deleted biased words and every non-neutral statement (If I missed some let me know please)
 * -Deleted some statement that was unsourced and I couldn't find proper references for it.
 * -Added the credit and information of the composition of a spanish TV series' soundtrack by the subject, since according to WP:MUSBIO it could be important.
 * -Added a picture of the subject playing on stage with a renown musician on a World Tour.
 * -Added information regarding the subject's collaboration with a reputable spanish voice actor.
 * -Added a total of 15 references to sources for multiple statements: these additions mentioned above, previous statements on the article, and notable magazines, websites or news papers articles that have featured the subject and his work. Note that I followed your suggestions and none of these websites, magazines or news papers have anything to do or are related to the subject, they are completely independent. While this seems enough for me, I will continue improving the article if I find anything that could meet your suggestions. As always, every advice is much appreciated. Thanks again a lot! --Tolkki4Win (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I withdraw AFD Nom Based on significant efforts by article creator to improve and make WP:N compliant. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad what I did was useful, it was thanks to your suggestions and I learned a lot with them, thank you so much! I will keep improving the article basing on your guidelines whenever I find the chance. I still see both the deletion and issues marks, is it normal? I was told not touch them so I won't do anything.--Tolkki4Win (talk) 19:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Admin will take down the AfD discussion notice when they close this thread and I have removed the improve tags. I am happy to have run into such a dedicated editor and hope to see more of your articles in the future. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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