Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Brucato


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  06:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Joe Brucato

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This page was PROD'ded by User:Darkwind on 04/19/10 and the person behind most of the article, User:Bestmusicexpert, removed the PROD without discussion or notable improvement to the article. Darkwind's reason was WP:BLPPROD. Multiple editors (including me) have been adding edit tags concerning verifiable sources and other BLP issues repeatedly, and they have always been removed by Bestmusicexpert without comment or necessary improvements. I suspect that this user simply does not understand the issues and proper procedures, and I left a comment on his/her talk page. In any case, since the original PROD was removed inappropriately and the BLP issues have not been resolved, I am bringing it to AFD to get more community involvement. D OOMSDAYER 520 (Talk|Contribs) 00:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what this user is speaking of. I removed the link to the musicians website as a reference. That is what I understood the message to be so I deleted the notation because I followed its instructions. If there is more that needs to be done, please send useful information as to how I may improve the article instead of nasty responces and threats of deleting it. I am new to this and unsure what more can be done to help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestmusicexpert (talk • contribs) 01:02, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Response - see your talk page for a little more info from me. There are no nasty responses here and no threats. Everything that has been done are attempts to either improve the article or save it from condemnation (because it does not adequately support the biography of a real person). See WP:BLPPROD, a new guideline that was recently added at Wikipedia because LIBEL is an issue when you say something about a real person without reliable sources, even if you are supporting that person, Concerning the references, you have done well in one way by removing the unsatisfactory reference, but more sources need to be added. See also WP:MUSICBIO. D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 01:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Neutral - my vote here is "neutral" because I'm not an expert on the recently updated guidelines for WP:BLP. Consider my nomination to be procedural and a follow up for Darkwind's original PROD. D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 01:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag for the reference of his website, thats what I understand that to be meaning. If anyone would help me clean this up, I would be happy to, just not sure what is needed to be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestmusicexpert (talk • contribs) 01:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As previously stated, all articles (and especially those about living people) need to cite reliable sources to verify the information in the article. One of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia is verifiability, and reliable sources are how we achieve that.  Sources published by the subject of the article, or otherwise closely connected with the subject, are not considered reliable sources.  For more information, please carefully read each of these Wikipedia policy statements or guidelines: Verifiability, Identifying reliable sources, Citing sources, and Biographies of living persons.
 * Under a recently adopted Wikipedia policy, any article about a living person that does not cite any reliable sources is subject to deletion. That's what the  tag on the article was talking about -- the whole article is subject to deletion because there are no reliable sources cited in the article to verify any of its content.  For more information about this specific policy, see Proposed deletion of biographies of living people. --Darkwind (talk) 05:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I still need other help with what exactly needs to be used for references. I have proof that Steve Gadd and Alan Marino played on his albums. What else can I do? comment added by Bestmusicexpert (talk • contribs)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC).  — Bestmusicexpert (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Added more references, is this helpful enough or is more needed?comment added by Bestmusicexpert (talk • —Preceding undated comment added 18:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC).
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - I do not believe the sources currently cited qualify under WP:RS or WP:BLPPROD, as they are not verifying anything about the subject himself, just his work. That being said, I take no position on the notability of the subject, as my inital PROD was a simple procedural BLPPROD because it had no sources. --Darkwind (talk) 08:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with darkwinds assessment as the number 5 reference has alot of biographical information in that link.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JohnCD (talk) 21:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. No outside coverage, reviews etc. The bio describes his first album as a "cult classic", which is industry-speak for "poor seller". I was unable to verify most of the information in the article. It says he won a prize at the Los Angeles Music Awards, but I was unable to find a complete list of earlier winners, and he does not make their distinguished alumni list. The article says he was in The Rustix, but the Wikipedia article about The Rustix doesn't mention him - and he seems rather too young to have been a member (their heyday was in 1960-1970). Correction, I misread it; it says his FATHER was in The Rustix. That's more like it - but also does nothing to further Joe's notability. --MelanieN (talk) 01:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

I do plan on speaking with the singer to clear some things up. I think the link to The Rustix is needed as his father Chuck performs with him onstage and was in The Rustix. As for other sources, a few ideas would be appreciated as to how to improve things. I am not sure what is needed and I think every reference backs things up so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestmusicexpert (talk • contribs)

Delete. Non-notable. 1)Notability is not INHERITED. 2)Little or no outside coverage other than the bio mentioned. 3)Bestmusicexpert doesn't sign his posts....whoops, another AADD —Preceding unsigned comment added by T3h 1337 b0y (talk • contribs) 02:58, 8 May 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shimeru (talk) 06:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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