Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Chung


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The result was speedy keep. Per WP:SKCRIT, nominator withdrew and there are no delete votes. (non-admin closure) Jumpytoo Talk 21:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Joe Chung

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Not notable enough. Not enough reliable secondary sources. Northern Moonlight | ほっこう  04:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Dude.....As a new user, please read WP:GNG or Notability (people). It sounds like you are nominating anti-China article in bad faith. Matthew hk (talk) 17:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please WP:AGF and don't attack your fellow editor by assuming their intention. The problem is that we don't have enough reliable secondary sources, and existing ones in the article are either dead, a bookstore's listing or just incidentally mentioning the subject. Also please don't call me a dude. The only source in an established journal I can find is an editorial from SCMP called "Joe Chung: a Chinese who rejects all things Chinese", and I'm not very sure you can use that for BLP. Northern Moonlight | ほっこう  22:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Keep Although he is not as notable as many other authors but he is notable enough to have a wiki article. Wasraw (talk) 05:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "How much did Joe Chung anger the Hong Kong and Beijing establishment, and what were the results? Chung was one of the most controversial authors on the popular but now-defunct House News, a Hong Kong-based news website and content aggregator founded by former radio personality Tony Tsoi and others to cover covers politics, business, lifestyle, media, and local news. ... Born in the 1960s, the author currently lives in Norway, well out of the clutches of Chinese authorities. He became concerned with Chinese politics following the imprisonment of Wei Jingsheng in 1979, ..."  The article notes: "In his neck of the woods, Chung is somewhat of an authority on Chinese affairs - and not only because he is the author of best-sellers I Don't Want to be Chinese Again and China is Stranger than Fiction. It is also because he is one of only 400 Chinese people living in Stavanger, in southern Norway. ... Chung is largely oblivious to the debate, however, enjoying a quiet Scandinavian life with his wife and one-year-old twins."  The article notes: "Among the first ones it has profiled is Joe Chung, the best-selling Hong Kong author of Don’t reincarnate as a Chinese in the next life. The book is admired by many intellectuals and politicians in Hong Kong and Taiwan. No doubt it captures something of the zeitgeist. Chung’s rejection of all things Chinese is total – he is even critical of the language itself. He moved his whole family to the Norwegian city of Stavanger in the early 2000s. ... Long before it became fashionable to advocate localism, Hong Kong separatism, Taiwan independence and anti-China emotionalism, he had been advocating all of them – except he sees Hong Kong society as inherently Chinese and corrupt as well."  The editorial notes: "A recent online survey of Chinese people found that 65 percent of respondents would prefer not to be Chinese at all. This sentiment prompted the Hong Kong author Joe Chung (鍾祖康) to write his 2010 bestseller I Don't Want To Be Chinese (來生不做中國人)."</li> <li> The book notes: "Some books have severely criticized the Chinese culture in recent years, including The Ugly Chinaman and the Crisis of China Culture by Bo-Yang (1985) and I Don't Want to Be Chinese Again by Joe Chung (2007). Although these authors are Chinese, the titles of their books alone might prevent them from being published in Western countries. However, these books are highly popular among Chinese readers. For example, Chung's book was first published in November 2007 and has already been printed in 55 editions."</li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Joe Chung to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 01:34, 29 August 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Thanks for providing the sources. We can start incorporating them into the article. I retract this AFD. <span style="font-family:system-ui,Inter,-apple-system,YuGothic,sans-serif;background-color:#f3f3fe;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:3px;white-space:nowrap">Northern Moonlight | ほっこう  02:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


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