Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Cronin (basketball)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Closing a bit early as this is clearly a keep result. (non-admin closure) BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Joe Cronin (basketball)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Refs are primary, constituting interviews.  scope_creep Talk  22:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Basketball. Shellwood (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep It's unlikely this is the only NBA GM who isn't notable. Passes GNG with sources in the article and more shown on a quick Google search. ~WikiOriginal-9~  ( talk ) 23:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Colorado and Oregon.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  23:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Nomination rationale is incorrect -- few if any of the sources are interviews. They are for the most part significant coverage. Jfire (talk) 04:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I didn't say the articles are only interviews.They are primary. I'll have a look at the references:
 * Ref 1 Sources are twitter, social media coverage. Its a routine coverage of promotion and is likely non-rs.
 * Ref 2 Another routine hiring story. Taken from a q and a with NBA.That is all from an interview. Same routine coverage of above from above.It is WP:PRIMARY.
 * Ref 3 This the same story as above. It is a short profile article and is neither high-quality, independent nor in-depth.
 * Ref 4 That is a database generated profile.It is non-rs.
 * Ref 5 It is an interview. It is WP:PRIMARY.
 * Ref 6 That is ultra-local news, in the same town and fails WP:AUD.
 * Ref 7 Another interview.WP:PRIMARY
 * Ref 8 This is social media driven. It is a terrible references. Its non-rs
 * Ref 9 This is based on another report.
 * Ref 10 This has been lifted from the ESPN story above.
 * Ref 11 This has been lifted from the ESPN story above.
 * They are a mix of WP:PRIMARY interviews, social media driven stories based effectively hearsay and routine coverage of job promotions and ultra-local news. It states in WP:BLP "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources." None of these are high-quality sources. They are extremely poor. Certainly there is a lot of interest in the man, but it is all routine coverage with no high-quality sources in any of it. None of it is true WP:SECONDARY sourcing.  scope_creep Talk  09:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You cited WP:AUD, which is from Notability (organizations and companies). But Cronin is a person. And The Oregonian is anyways not some sleepy, small-town newspaper. —Bagumba (talk) 08:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Scope creep Please note that there is nothing that bans the use of local SIGCOV to establish notabilty of individuals. A proposal to limit their use has been thoroughly rejected in the past. Alvaldi (talk) 12:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep I see enough significant coverage if you piece together the bits of SIGCOV in the above sources, as is permitted per WP:NBIO, especially considering these sources are more than trivial mentions. Refs 5 and 7 in particular have enough non-interview coverage to be considered GNG-acceptable SIGCOV.  However, even if that was not the case, WP:COMMONSENSE must prevail.  Mr. Cronin is the highest ranking front office official for a team in the NBA, a top basketball league in the world.  Clearly a case where WP:IAR should apply (though I believe the coverage is enough that IAR does not need to apply).  Frank   Anchor  15:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: Sourcing in this article is adequate and there is enough significant coverage. HarukaAmaranth  春香 18:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment It is a home town newspaper, which is again ignored for expediency and as usual with fan driven articles the quality of the sources, which are never considered, which junk at best are again ignored. Who quotes WP:IAR these days, in an Afd of all places. Really. What a trash argument. And common sense. Are we children. I've never heard such trash talk from an editor in an Afd for about 10 years. The only two policies that apply here are WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV.    scope_creep Talk  09:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It is a home town newspaper, which is again ignored for expediency: Which guideline is that? Thanks. I know we expect multiple reliable sources of signficant coverage, which indirectly weeds out somone who only gets hometown coverage from the lone pub in Podunk.—Bagumba (talk) 09:19, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If it exists I have yet to find it, but it is easy to find WP:CIVIL which I'd say disparaging other editors' good faith (and policy-based) keep votes as "trash" and as acting like children very much runs afoul of. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep Easily passes WP:GNG with over a decade worth of significant sources such as, ,, Alvaldi (talk) 12:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Available sources are well above the standard commonly required for notability. Calling The Oregonian a hometown paper is misleading. It's a major regional paper. (When I think of "hometown paper," I think of the neighborhood paper that prints lists of the kids who made the junior high honor roll.) In any case, The Oregonian is not the only source of information. Zagal e jo (talk) 15:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - Ample sources on the article and listed here to demonstrate notability. Rikster2 (talk) 15:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per GNG. Rlendog (talk) 15:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly passes WP:GNG, as would be expected for an NBA general manager. Significant RS coverage from The Oregonian (the second largest paper in the Pacific Northwest) and ESPN & The Athletic (nationwide outlets). Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, as would be expected as an NBA general manager, per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


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