Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Lobenstein


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The result was keep. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Joe Lobenstein

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There has been some discussion here about removing this article. I agree with the writer calling for deletion as there is a notability issue. There may as well be an article about any other one time Hackney Council member or mayor. It seems likely that somone is trying to give Joe free publicity here for some reason. Apissting (talk) 03:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Keep His MBE, if legitimate, would certainly qualify as a significant award per WP:BIO. His political career (being mayor of London Borough of Hackney) also suggests notability. If everything in the article checks out and is correct, this should not be deleted. faithless   (speak)  04:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Google Books has some info that helps further establish notability here Almanac of British Politics and here Shefford and here Culture Wars: The Media And the British Left. For secondary sources, he is quoted far too often by news agencies—just look at Google News: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Joe+Lobenstein%22+hackney&btnG=Search+Archives. (Mind meal (talk) 11:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Delete There may be a misconception here about the position of Mayor of Hackney he held. At the time of his occupation of this position, the position was not that of a directly-elected Mayor. It was instead almost identical to the current title of Speaker which is largely ceremonious and itself has no wiki article. Indeed to the best of my knowledge there is no previous Speaker or old style Mayor who has a wiki page. The article does not conform under the guidelines for Notability on politicians. According to the Notability Guidelines, amount of search engine listings are not helpful in ascertaining notability. However there are very few listing on the link put forward on this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.162.50 (talk) 16:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Question - Do Single purpose anonymous accounts count as votes? JASpencer (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - (Disclosure: Author of the article) Not because he was mayor of Hackney but because he was the only non-Labour councillor in Hackney from the mid 1970s until the late 1980s, because he got an MBE for this, because he was the leader of the Tory group in Hackney until 1999, because he was elected four times in a row when no previous mayor had been elected for more than two years, because he was a crucial figure in the post-Trotter Hackney landscape, because he is the public face of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community in the UK, because he was the first ultra-Orthodox mayor elected outside of Israel and there may be a couple of other reasons too.  This is not an article to publicise Joe Lobenstein but a person who was as fascinating as Monty Goldman, another article I created (thanks for complying by WP:AGF, Apissting.  JASpencer (talk) 23:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment He has also been a columnist for the Jewish Tribune for many years. Chesdovi (talk) 00:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


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