Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Mele (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Drmies (talk) 04:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Joe Mele
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An actor for two years. His roles include a bar patron, store manager, man with hairlip, wedding guest, male shopper and Rob. They appear to be just bit parts. Fails WP:NACTOR. Unable to find any reliable reference that talks about him. Prod was removed because "I removed the Tag due to not being an extra but an actor. He has lines in those movies. I seen the clips on IMDb". Previous AfD is about a different person. Bgwhite (talk) 06:15, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Bgwhite (talk) 06:17, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

If these are standards then all the actors in the We and the ! dont qualify as these people dont
 * Delete. He's got one role where his character actually has a name rather a description, and that's in an upcoming short. Wikipedia is WP:NOTIMDB. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:10, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep.  You do not understand that having a description doesnt mean no  lines. He has lines in The We and THe I and Transaltantic Coffee and more.  24.191.185.23 (talk) 11:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Bruce_Ornstein Jeff_Keilholtz Dont%C3%A9_Bonner Jasmine_Dustin Regine_Nehy Laura_Nativo Kriav (talk) 11:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to nominate those other actors for deletion, please feel free to do so. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Just found another industry website that talks about him and principal roles and not IMDb http://www.actorsconnection.com/about.php?category=stories&i=1884 Kriav (talk) 14:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that is signed "Joe Mele, February 2012" - not a reliable independent source. Peridon (talk) 14:55, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Just looked through that list. Can't see much reason for any of them to have articles unless someone can come up with proper references. Not too sure even then... BTW It's not so much having lines as having good coverage in reliable independent sources, and parts like (fictional example) Third Footman, who gets to say "You, your lordship" and "I'm sorry, your lordship, but the butler has just sunk in the lake" don't tend to get covered the way that the players of major roles do. Peridon (talk) 15:08, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll get around to nominating most or all of them soon. Although Jasmine might qualify under WP:HOTTIE. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

That Article is not signed Joe Mele. That information comes the Casting director. Harley Kaplan. You do not know how actors connection operates. Kriav (talk) 15:32, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Go on then. Please explain how it does work. And even if it does come from Kaplan, it's still not an independent source because Kaplan is involved in the thing. It's not independent. Peridon (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Being the casting director, he makes those decisions. your requirement for independence from a person that is involved in the decision is overly restrictive. Generals that talk about their campaign choices are disqualified under this. Kriav (talk) 17:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It may well be over restrictive - but it's the rule currently in force. If you'd seen some of the things we do - like an article written about a multi-national group that turned out to exist only on its own website (and in someone's imagination...) - you might understand why we are restrictive. I've even found someone creating two online newspapers to back up an article that at best could be described as "what I did one weekend". Those of us who work in the 'deletion department' do like to save articles. We're not chain saw maniacs (possibly when off duty and in our own gardens, but that's another matter) aiming to cut everything down. You would agree that Wayne Shurtarz wouldn't merit an article for his part of Man in Bar in The Life and Times of Ephraim Snodgrass (running time 7 minutes - showing now on YouTube - Budget $46.58) - his only acting role (and he didn't even need to act...). I hope you would, anyway. That's one extreme. Tom Cruise is at the other extreme. There has to be a line, and things have to be referenced reliably. As it's our field, 'reliably' is by our definition. As to generals, a book written by a general couldn't establish his own notability as a general (but if it sold enough and was widely reviewed might be part of notability as a writer instead). Look at WP:RS (our policy on reliable independent sources). Look at WP:NACTOR (Notability of Actors). Come up with some things RS that fit NACTOR and we'll happily !vote Keep. You may note that while I'm stirring things, I haven't !voted. Yet. These AfDs usually last a week, and if the deletion does take place, you can always ask for a review if evidence turns up late. Just contact me or most admins and tell us what you've found. Peridon (talk) 18:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Just having a line in a notable film is not enough to establish an actor as notable. I see that the subject has a role in the soon-to-be-released film The We and the I, which I suspect is a notable film as it was directed by the acclaimed director Michel Gondry. However, it is not clear to me that Mele's role in the film is a major one. The article can be re-created later if Mele is later established as being notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * His role is at the top of the list both here and IMDb - "Man with hairlip" (or possibly 'hairclip)'. The article seems to derive largely from IMDb. The rest of the cast are redlinked here, which can be explained by "the project is one that Gondry has been developing for a while now, working with a cast of unknown kids" (Quoted from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1618445/news quoted there from http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/first-look-at-michel-gondrys-the-we-and-the-i-20120425). There seems little info there about the film and what goes on, but three of the 'unknown kids' have parts with names, the others are blanks. As an aside, there appears to be an error in the IMDb cast listing, but it doesn't affect this discussion. One actress appears to be listed under two different versions of her name. I've not worked out which is correct, so haven't sent in a correction. Peridon (talk) 15:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
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