Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Sorge


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Courcelles 00:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Joe Sorge

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This is a paid-editing project as a result of this bid on elance dot com where it is obvious the subject has paid an editor to write about himself on here. This is in violation of our conflict of interest guidelines as well as our policy that Wikipedia is not to be used for promotion. Furthermore, this person doesn't appear to meet our notability guidelines as he has only been referenced by reliable sources in passing... none of them provide the in-depth coverage required by WP:N and WP:BIO. See also Articles for deletion/AJ Bombers  Them From  Space  14:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:Spam Keep - Improved with reliable third party sources. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 16:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment. I punched delete on his restaurant's AFD but I'm not sure about him. Google news is showing some coverage such as this and this. COI/paid editing aside, I think this one needs a little more discussion. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:59, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Your first link appears to be local coverage. The second link must have moved since it no longer works.  Them  From  Space  15:17, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep but rewrite. Based on the links supplied by Ron Ritzman (and they both work for me), the man appears to have at least local notability. Both articles are about him specifically, they are not passing mentions. (UPDATE: The second article appears to be about his family's restaurant in New York, founded in 1951, rather than about him. His father's name must be Joe Sorge also.) However, the article itself does not cite any reliable sources; if "Joe's work" earned him national recognition from CNN, the New York Times, etc. as the article claims, then let's see the evidence. In any case the article needs a thorough rewrite; it is written in a chatty, unencyclopedic style. ("Joe was practically born in a restaurant.") Incidentally, Melanie's Law ("articles in which the subject is referred to by first name instead of last name almost always turn out to be non-notable") would suggest that the article should go. --MelanieN (talk) 01:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I hate myself for it (since this was a paid article) but I just did a complete rewrite, getting rid of the unencyclopedic stuff (and the Melanie's Law issue) and adding references. I'd still classify it as a Weak Keep but at least it meets Wikipedia guidelines now. --MelanieN (talk) 02:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 05:08, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * weak keep sources aren't great, but meet WP:N. Hobit (talk) 07:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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