Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Turman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  15:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Joe Turman

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Non-notable author with zero GNEWS and no GHits of substance to support notability. Appears to fail WP:BIO  ttonyb (talk) 05:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this person. Joe Chill (talk) 22:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't delete: I dispute this nomination. I found significant coverage. Added link to Google Book in article. Try the following using the middle name:
 * 98.154.77.14 (talk) 23:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment – I see the coverage you are referring to; however, it is hardly significant.  They are mostly short blurbs about his book and do not cover the subject of the article in depth.   ttonyb  (talk) 23:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, at least for now. Rather than (invalidly) tagging the article as a speedy candidate less than 15 minutes after it appeared, then nominating the article for deletion without doing adequate research, it would have been much better if the nominator had actually offered help to the original author. Since the article subject is generally known as "Joe Garner Turman," a point that required about 30 seconds to discover, it's clear that all the kerfluffle about "zero GNews" hits and such is misleading, and should have been struck once the error was pointed out. I don't know that the subject will prove notable in the long run, but there's enough out there to allow a verifiable stub to be written; his best-known work is in a category (Christian/evangelical fiction for young readers) that gets next to no coverage in web sources, but adequate coverage in print sources that will probably take time to turn up. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or possibly merge with his brother Buddy Turman's article. Semi-notable author. Has some substantial coverage and mentions in reliable sources. Seems to me to improve the encyclopedia. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:20, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep -Book in state library is some indication of notability although I have some doubts whether we really need this article. Himalayan   13:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The references are unreliable tributes. Posssibly www.thesweetscience.com is considered reliable, but the article is about his brother, not him or the book.  The only book of his in any worldCat library is Sling Creek, and it's in only 4 of them, even though it's been published for 2 years now. . Of course some, like, the state library, may not have listed it yet--but having a book in such a collection devoted to all state authors is the very essence of indiscriminate. As determining factor, the publisher is Tate Publishing & Enterprises which calls itself a "publishing service" , so the books must be considered as vanity publication.  There are many notable authors in Christian fiction for young people,  but he is not yet one of them.    DGG ( talk ) 04:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
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