Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Wiegand (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Uncontested sources trump an assertion of non-notability Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Joe Wiegand
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Doesn't seem notable outside of a very narrow domain--article reads like an advertisement or CV. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article just needs to be improved with reliable secondary sources. Most biographies on Wikipedia are niche-related. He has traveled the country playing Roosevelt and has been covered in publications that are considered major in states/cities/regions. Examples: ....oh and here's a New York Times piece to seal the deal: . Missvain (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment - Agree, The New York Times article on Weigand being chosen to model for a recent statue of Theodore Roosevelt is, itself, quite notable. I've personally seen resulting statue and its remarkable and always crowed with people taking pictures along-side of the likeness. The sculpting studio even flew him up to their studio, picking up the tab for the flights. Consider that the sculptor could have just found someone roughly of the same size as Roosevelt. No, he was looking for more than just a similar sized model. He indicated that in the Times article. Wiegand WAS chosen because he was considered quite notable in the T.R. role. SimonATL 14:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - Rather then merely being "featured in newspapers," Wiegand, for example, reprised Theodore Roosevelt at the White House as part of a White House celebration the 150th birthday of Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States on Oct. 27, 2008 in the East Room of the White House before a crowded audience including a sitting President and members of the Roosevelt family. While a Google search of T.R. Impersonators lists no less than six T.R. reprisers, Wiegand was the only on invited to play T.R.  Wiegand is simply NOT a non-notable "local celebrity" unknown beyond a small circle. Doing a Google Search, I've noticed that he has reprised T.R. on several documentaries which I located and will update the article. Bottom line, he IS noteworthy and the article just needs to be updated with more recent and reliable secondary sources. As noted above, Wiegand has performed in the White House and all across the Nation. Wiegand continues to crisscross the US reprising Roosevelt and has been covered in major publications. Wikipedia editors have gone round-and-round on this topic and I think some of it represents left-wing political bias against anyone who portrays even a liberal Republican like T.R. in an effective manner.  And PERISH the thought that Wiegand could perform in front of the much-maligned George W. Bush.

Note also that the article has been updated to include Wiegand's work in Education, educating students in high schools across the US, educating American military personnel and their families and, more recently, standing in as a model for the American Museum of Natural History (Night at the Museum)'s statue of Theodore Roosevelt that is in its new Roosevelt Center in the basement. "NON-notable" people do NOT have this range of activities nor contributions to educating the (American) public on the 26th (US) President. Let's SETTLE this "NON-NOTABLE" claim once-and-for-all!SimonATL 14:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Even Stronger Keep - The article has been updated to include Wiegans work in Education, educating students in high schools across the US, educating American military personnel and their families and, more recently, standing in as a model for the American Museum of Natural History (Night at the Museum)'s statue of Theodore Roosevelt that is in its new Roosevelt Center in the basement. "NON-notable" people do NOT have this range of activities nor contributions to educating the (American) public on the 26th (US) President. Let's SETTLE this "NON-NOTABLE" claim once-and-for-all! SimonATL 19:21, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Struck duplicate !vote above, only one allowed, but feel free to comment all you'd like. North America1000 08:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. It is a nice article, but isn't notable. A agree per nom, the article concerns a very narrow domain, and being featured in newspapers isn't enough to be featured on Wikipedia. Nik ol ai Ho ☎️ 02:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment That is not true. He passes Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. It's not about who thinks what is a niche or what is important or not. Basketball players are a specific niche subject but all professional basketball players have Wikipedia articles and it's primarily because they have merely played one game in a professional league. This man has been featured in numerous publications - and I don't mean merely mentioned. He's even been profiled by the New York Times. Clearly he isn't *that* niche if he also performed at the White House. Missvain (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment – Regarding "being featured in newspapers isn't enough to be featured on Wikipedia" above, articles from reliable newspapers that provide significant coverage about a subject are certainly usable to determine topic notability. North America1000 08:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep –Meets WP:BASIC. In addition to the sources presented above, here are more: The New Yorker, The New York Times, The News. North America1000 08:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


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