Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Birch


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to The Amity Affliction. Those in favour of keeping the article have not managed to establish that the subject is independently notable. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 17:57, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Joel Birch

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not notable outside of his band. should be redirected to The Amity Affliction per WP:BANDMEMBER. this is an obvious case but I'm starting an official discussion because User:Aarkvark slayer has a history of restoring redirected pages -- FMSky (talk) 12:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:05, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. FMSky (talk) 12:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with nominator's phrase "not notable outside of his band". Furthermore WP:BLP is clearly breached by unverified content both in Early life and Controversies sections.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:43, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Restore redirect to The Amity Affliction - while I see some substantial effort in adding article content and some to source it, most of the information not about the band is not encyclopedic. I want to say keep, because I love Amity and he's one of my favorite metalcore vocalists, but once you cut away the cruft (seriously, why are we talking about his time on the street especially without a source? [removed] ), there's nothing substantial left that would suggest notability beyond a reasonable doubt. His musical career is entirely composed of details within the Amity Affliction; if there was substantial detail on more than one band, I'd argue otherwise. The controversies added are reliably sourced but not all are relevant to Mr. Birch. I am impressed with the publications chosen, however, they are almost, if not all, reliable. (The article is also poorly written, and uses language of a fan, which I would be happy to fix were it not for Joel's lack of notability.)  danny music editor  oops 02:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Many sources, and appears to establish general notability as a musician. I don't believe there is any reason that these sources are any less valid than many on other musician pages. However, I understand that repeatedly redoing a redirect is frustrating, and the user doing that may need to face disciplinary action from Wikipedia admins. PickleG13 (talk) 09:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * They only mention him in combination with his band --FMSky (talk) 09:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep This looks pretty good to me, and somewhat standard in style and sourcing for co-lead vocalist and co-front man. About the only time a front man article gets more detailed, is it he is connected to some sort of internationally known super group.


 * How is this even a dispute.😭 This is just a member of a random ass band with no individual notabilty --FMSky (talk) 06:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * FMSky, that's an unnecessary comment to make and it doesn't help persuade editors to agree with your nomination. Liz Read! Talk! 07:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Amity is not some "random ass band", they're icons of Australian metalcore and saved my life in high school. But this is about as relevant as the comment that provoked it - even though I too question how Joel clears WP's notability bar.  danny music editor  oops 03:49, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Amity Affliction, no case has been made for how the subject rises above WP:BANDMEMBER, and the article as-written does not suggest any notability outside of Amity Affliction. signed,Rosguill talk 17:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.