Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Chan (actor)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 04:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Joel Chan (actor)

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I've removed a BLP PROD from this article on the grounds that there is a link to the subject's IMDB entry, but the original BLP-prodder reinserted the tag. Whether or not IMDB meets WP:RS is of no concern to the WP:BLPPROD process, but if it doesn't, and is still used as the only source, then the article should be deleted either through a regular PROD or an AfD. Neutral until I look into the issue, but I must say the article is in dire need of reliable references.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Does anyone know how to spell "Joel Chan" in Chinese script? --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 23:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep pretty extensive TV and movie roles, and two albums. Overall a pretty impressive 15-year career.  I'm convinced that while sources may or may not exist in English, they almost certainly do in Chinese. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  23:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, here we go: from TVB Anniversary Awards (2009), and also from the poorly referenced article on the Chinese Wikipedia, we get 陳山聰 --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless something more than a single award nomination surfaces and an IMDB entry, this person doesn't appear to meet WP:ENTERTAINER. I'm certainly no expert on Chinese actors and singers but its difficult to tell from the article the significance of these roles or productions. Some mention in reliable sources would help here but Google searches on the name are difficult due to the hematopathologist by the same name.--RadioFan (talk) 11:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  —  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 13:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep He appears to have had a medium role in E.U., which was very popular in Hong Kong and has spawned two spin-off films. Bear in mind that TVB tends to have a few hit series each year, and he's gradually notching up appearances in them. Matt's talk 18:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep the main contributor here,, needs a little gentle guidance. The article is a proto article that IMHO can develop given a little encouragement to seek reliable sources. I am impressed by this actors list of credits compared with a very rapid look through category:American actors such as Wayne Bastrup or Chloe Bridges --Senra (Talk) 22:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Other articles really dont enter into consideration of this article.--RadioFan (talk) 18:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep The existence of the tag "" indicates the IMdB is acceptable for verifying the details of someone's career. I've seen occasional details disputed, & I've seen people with 1 or 2 credits who looked somewhat questionable,  but for someone with substantial credits I have not in 4 years seen any instances where it was shown to be fundamentally misleading. But of course that's just WP:V, and better sources are, well, better. A career of this sort in notable  works gives some indication of notability; it needs to be worked on by someone who can deal with the Chinese sources.     DGG ( talk ) 04:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment there has been debate about the use of IMDB as a reference. Some feel it's unreliable due to the fact that it's almost entirely written by it's user community, not unlike Wikipedia. Others point to the minimal editorial control that is there.  Both sides of the argument will probably agree that it is certainly not sufficient as the only reference to demonstrate notability.  Personally I like seeing IMDB links in a biographic article but would much rather see more reliable sources used.  IMDB's requirements for being listed there are far lower than Wikipedia's notability guidelines.  There is no prerequisite for any 3rd party coverage of a film or tv role .   Unless we want to see friends of student filmakers with Wikipedia articles because they have an IMDB listing from the one credit in their roomates zero budget student film, IMDB alone as a reference isn't going demonstrate notability very well.--RadioFan (talk) 05:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 03:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Tagged for rescue (see my keep above) --Senra (Talk) 17:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Senra (Talk) 17:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment So, thus far, we a nomination for an award has been found (with references) and roles on notable shows. Notability isn't transferrable so we'll need more to help this person meet WP:BIO.--RadioFan (talk) 17:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed but issue here (for me at least) is the language barrier --Senra (Talk) 19:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Per DGG.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:35, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think most difficulties are only a result of lack of translation. Her appearances in television is impressive. As for the red linking of many of the films she's participated in, that may well be due largely to WP:systemic bias rather than any lack in films themselves. — Code Hydro  00:05, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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