Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Goldstein


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The result was   delete. clear consensus  DGG ( talk ) 00:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Joel Goldstein

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Non-notable public relations person. He was nominated for a local business award, but didn't win it. His book Start from Success is rated #1,044,834 Paid in Kindle Store and #6,578,206 in Books on Amazon.com. There's an evident WP:COI problem, too. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete A hopeless vanity article. And Adoil Descended (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment: Amazon rankings mean absolutely nothing on Wikipedia, partially because at this point bestseller lists mean absolutely nothing for notability (although I am trying somewhat to change that) but mostly because Amazon rankings are so incredibly easy to manipulate. I'm not saying that this guy did that, but there are a LOT of people who have used various tricks (buying up their own copies, giving it out for free, hiring a company to purchase copies, make their categories so specific that there is little competition for bestselling in those categories, etc) to get their Amazon ranking numbers up. Because of that, Amazon ranking numbers will never show any type of notability. It also doesn't help that this is pretty much unverifiable since Amazon doesn't really keep a good record of sales rankings or how they were achieved. I'll look for other sources, but I have to admit that an article relying on Amazon ranking numbers for notability off the bat isn't really a good sign. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:44, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find a single thing to really show that this person is ultimately notable enough for an article. The books received no coverage in reliable sources and the person himself seems to have similarly flown solidly under the radar. If he'd been on the 40 Under 40 list then that would have helped some (although this distinction is not major enough to keep on that alone), but he was only nominated- and the problem with this is that anyone can submit a nomination. Even if it wasn't that type of nomination, nominations in and of themselves do not give notability- only wins give notability. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not meet the general notability guideline. --Inother (talk) 11:45, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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