Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Gretsch

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 14:52, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Joel Gretsch
Is being the son-in-law of William Shatner sufficiently notable? I abstain for now but want to hear what others think. Emiao 02:48, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep/Expand he's starred in a couple tv series. IMDB --Etacar11 02:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Seems like a notable stage/tv actor from this biography but it's also pretty much copyvio of that site. Being someone's son-in-law is not very relevant. Kappa 02:55, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I would vote keep if not a copyvio. Capitalistroadster 10:28, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If this article is not a copyvio, I would vote
 * Keep but cleanup if the article is about the actor Joel Gretsch
 * Delete if this is about Joel Gretsch as William Shatner's son-in-law. Aecis 10:33, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * It's too hard to tell. What's there now looks like a genealogical database entry or a theatre register, rather than an article of any sort.  I agree with Aecis that if the rewrite takes the POV of the relation, then this should just be a redirect to William "the Bard" Shatner, but if it's an actor bio, then it can be kept.  The end verdict is, I suppose, send to clean up, with VfD pasted onto its talk page. Geogre 12:14, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but rewrite to emphasize his own acting career, not his family relationships. He is one of the principal actors on the television show The 4400 which will be airing another season this summer. --Metropolitan90 18:45, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. We need to stop using VfDs to deal with every cleanup issue. Now we're even getting VfD nominations from people who don't want a deletion! That wastes everybody's time. Here's some cleanup processes that you can start with much less fuss:
 * 1) Research and rewrite yourself.
 * 2) Start a discussion on the article's talk page. Previous editors will see this (if they still have the page on their watch lists) and maybe respond.
 * 3) Slap on an appropriate dispute, maintenance, or cleanup tag, which will bring the article to the attention of people who like to look after such things.
 * Isaac R 20:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * It's not a requirement. If you have issues with the way VfD is being used, discuss it on the VfD Talk page.  Don't use a particular article's vote to attack the nominator or the process.  This is Iasson territory.  RickK 21:39, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * See rewritten version. --Metropolitan90 02:55, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable shatner. Klonimus 03:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep ··gracefool |&#9786; 03:38, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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