Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel H. Johnson


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:36, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Joel H. Johnson

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Non-notable subject that does not meet WP:BASIC. Coverage found in searches for independent, reliable sources is limited to short passing mentions and name checks. The primary sources in the article and found in searches do not serve to establish notability. North America1000 22:07, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It would be helpful to know why struck their !vote. In any case, more wider participation in this AfD would be welcome.
 * Keep The coverage in Cornwall's work is both indepdent of the subject and in depth. His recognition as an impactful poet is also worth considering.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:21, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 'Delete zero sources outside of chruch publications. Bearian (talk) 01:03, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 11:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Red Phoenix  talk  01:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Claims to notability appear to be valid.  He wrote a notable hymn High on the Mountain Top, and was the first settler of Enoch, Utah, the name was changed from "Johnson Springs" to "Enoch" in 1890.  Lots of sourcing available in books and journal articles on Mormon history.  Such as "The Proper Edge of the Sky: The High Plateau Country of Utah,"Edward A. Geary",  University of Utah Press, 1992 (p.59) or this Deseret article Joel Johnson's hymn is one in 100 million. Plus he was a member of the Utah Territorial Legislature, Joel Johnson: The Early Church Member Wrote High on the Mountain Top.  And he shows up in a number  of articles in a gScholar search.  And a JSTOR search has several useable osurces,  for example, a detailed paragraph in (Barney, Ronald O. "Better Situated: Farther into the Frontier, 1882–1886." In One Side By Himself, 250-69. University Press of Colorado, 2001. doi:10.2307/j.ctt46nz1g.24.), and, although Brigham YOung University}Brigham Young is an LDS university, I do think that articles like (Rugh, Susan Sessions. "Conflict in the Countryside: The Mormon Settlement at Macedonia, Illinois." Brigham Young University Studies 32, no. 1/2 (1991): 149-74. http://www.jstor.org/stable/43044969.), which goes into detail on that period of Johnson's life,  should be accepted as scholarly sources and not disparaged as "church related."  E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:43, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Gregory has convinced me there are enough sources. I have added material from the BYU studies article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:22, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


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