Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel H. Rosenthal


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 02:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Joel H. Rosenthal

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Fails notability for biographies since June 2007. No references given. Magioladitis (talk) 08:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. President of a notable private institution, editor of a significant academic journal (WP:Prof 8.) Mostlyharmless (talk) 11:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete unless anyone can find reliable sourcing with which to verify the information in what is currently an unsourced biography of a living person. Guest9999 (talk) 12:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I added some sourcing. They're from sources affiliated with the subject but I think that's sufficient to verify the factual information in the article. I'm more concerned about whether he passes WP:PROF or WP:BIO — is there some reason to believe his council or his journal are particularly notable? —David Eppstein (talk) 16:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say that if his work for the council/journal have caused him to have received coverage by reliable, independent sources (not the ones currently in the article) then that would show that his positions have lead to him meeting the general notability criteria. Generally if something (or someone) meets the general criteria they also meet the specific criteria. Guest9999 (talk) 18:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.   —David Eppstein (talk) 16:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * comment Google scholar seems to turn up three hits for him as an author, an edited book (cited 13 times), and two authored books (cited by 18 and 5).  I searched for Ethics & International Affairs' impact factor (to verify Mostlyharmless's claim that it is in fact a "significant" academic journal), but havn't turned up anything, perhaps more due to my unfamiliarity with social science journal databases. Perhaps DGG will point to the appropriate metric for judging the journal, it seems too far from my discipline for me to judge.  Pete.Hurd (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep As for the journal . Published since 1987, by the major academic publisher Blackwell for the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs, a respected nonprofit established by Andrew Carnegie in 1914 . Journal's main articles are peer-reviewed but are essentially scholarly essays, not rigorous academic primary scholarship; some of the authors are senior academics, some are junior, some are significant policy makers. I think most departments would accept publication there as counting towards tenure, though would expect publications elsewhere also.  Indexed in the major services. Not in JCR, which is weak in the soft social sciences. Indexed essentially everywhere else relevant, including Scopus and Philosophers Index. In about 320 WorldCat libraries.  Editor in chief of a major academic journal of opinion like this is in my opinion enough for notability. So is President of the CC. I would not particularly consider him as a researcher. DGG (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep One doesn't become president of a foundation and editor of a journal without having earned the esteem of one's colleagues.   RJC  TalkContribs 22:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


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