Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Holland


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was KEEP (no consensus). TigerShark 13:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Joel Holland

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Article about a young entrepreneur and TV producer. While he has been listed as one of Business Week's top 25 entrepreneurs under the age of 25, there really isn't anything else that indicates that he is notable per WP:BIO. There's no interviews, articles or other coverage of this gentleman in reliable sources and his accomplishments don't seem to be verifiable. The article itself was originally a copyvio from his personal website (until it was licensed under the GDFL), is written somewhat like a resume and Mr. Holland himself appears to be the author of the article, presenting a conflict of interest problem. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 04:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Reluctant keep The Business Week thing puts him over the top with me.--Wehwalt 05:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vain autobiography. Delete and wait until someone with no COI writes him up. -- RHaworth 07:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep & edit for NPOV The Business Week article is likely to ensure notability --Kevin Murray 15:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, problems with WP:NPOV and WP:COI do not help if the article is not properly referenced and sourced. If improvements are made meeting wiki standards by end of this AfD I could change my vote to keep Alf photoman 19:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I do not think the Business Week mention to be sufficient non-trivial sourcing to pass WP:BIO, not to mention the noticeable WP:COI issues.-- danntm T C 04:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Wehwalt that the Business Week article establishes notability - If Business Week, which is a major publication, considers you one of the most notable entrepeneurs in your age group then you are notable enough for Wikipedia. Certainly there must be other sources out there if Business Week considers him this notable.  Please also keep in mind that NPOV and COI problems are not valid reasons for deletion, rather they are reasons for adding a cleanup tag and such to the article. --The Way 06:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. But for the citation in Business Week, I'd say "delete". However, that is one small reference in one publication, and this person was not the main topic of the article - he was one of 25. If this person garners more media attention and better meets WP:BIO in the future, no prejudice against recreation. Agent 86 21:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I did some research since I figured there had to be more articles about him if he's important enough to get attention from Business Week. Turns out this guys personal website has a whole section dedicated to media coverage of him and there are quite a number of notable sources.  CNN Money, Business Week, The McClean Times, Gazette.net, the Sun Gazette... all of these articles focus either solely on Joel Holland or mention him several times.  There are also links to articles from TIME Magazine and the Washington Post, though these links don't seem to work anymore.  Given the number of sources found here: http://www.joelkentholland.com/presscoverage.htm  I think that everyone should reconsider their votes to delete.  These are legitimate sources and he does seem to be quite notable. --The Way 22:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If the article is updated with such sources, I'd reconsider and say "weak keep", but as for now the article remains the same. Agent 86 00:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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