Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Hyatt


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  18:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Joel Hyatt

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This is nothing but vanispam. Person isn't notable, and not important enough for a redirect (to where?) either. Drmies (talk) 23:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete a functionary and promoter with no significant impact.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:17, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing here is an automatic pass of any of our "must-include" criteria for political figures, but the article isn't sourced anywhere near well enough to pass WP:GNG in lieu: two of the five are primary source press releases from companies he works with, which do not support notability; one is a Q&A interview on a blog in which he's speaking about himself, which is not a notability-assisting source; and of the two that are actually coming from reliable sources, one of them just namechecks his existence in the process of failing to be about him. Which leaves just one source that's actually doing anything on the "properly sourcing notability" piece, but one source doesn't carry that piece all by itself. Bearcat (talk) 18:16, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Did anyone bother to search WP:BEFORE bringing this here? I came up with these in five minutes:
 * I bet there are many other sources that could be easily found. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Very nearly all of those sources suffer from the same problems I identified in my comment as the reasons why the sources already present aren't cutting it. SFGate and NBC Bay Area don't help, as they're Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself rather than being written about in the third person by somebody else — which makes them fine for verification of facts, but not able to assist in the process of establishing that he passes GNG. Chicago Tribune: not about him, but about his company — so it counts for something toward the notability of the company, but for exactly nothing toward establishing his notability as an individual. New York Times: purely WP:ROUTINE coverage of an unsuccessful campaign for office, of the type that every candidate for office always gets, so not establishing that his unsuccessful candidacy was somehow more notable than other people's unsuccessful candidacies. Variety mentions his name, but is not about him. And of the two Fortune articles, the first one counts for something, but as the only source you've identified that helps his notability at all it doesn't help enough all by itself — while the second is just a blurb, so it counts for nothing. So no, you're not showing what it would take. Bearcat (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I bet there are many other sources that could be easily found. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Very nearly all of those sources suffer from the same problems I identified in my comment as the reasons why the sources already present aren't cutting it. SFGate and NBC Bay Area don't help, as they're Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself rather than being written about in the third person by somebody else — which makes them fine for verification of facts, but not able to assist in the process of establishing that he passes GNG. Chicago Tribune: not about him, but about his company — so it counts for something toward the notability of the company, but for exactly nothing toward establishing his notability as an individual. New York Times: purely WP:ROUTINE coverage of an unsuccessful campaign for office, of the type that every candidate for office always gets, so not establishing that his unsuccessful candidacy was somehow more notable than other people's unsuccessful candidacies. Variety mentions his name, but is not about him. And of the two Fortune articles, the first one counts for something, but as the only source you've identified that helps his notability at all it doesn't help enough all by itself — while the second is just a blurb, so it counts for nothing. So no, you're not showing what it would take. Bearcat (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I bet there are many other sources that could be easily found. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Very nearly all of those sources suffer from the same problems I identified in my comment as the reasons why the sources already present aren't cutting it. SFGate and NBC Bay Area don't help, as they're Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself rather than being written about in the third person by somebody else — which makes them fine for verification of facts, but not able to assist in the process of establishing that he passes GNG. Chicago Tribune: not about him, but about his company — so it counts for something toward the notability of the company, but for exactly nothing toward establishing his notability as an individual. New York Times: purely WP:ROUTINE coverage of an unsuccessful campaign for office, of the type that every candidate for office always gets, so not establishing that his unsuccessful candidacy was somehow more notable than other people's unsuccessful candidacies. Variety mentions his name, but is not about him. And of the two Fortune articles, the first one counts for something, but as the only source you've identified that helps his notability at all it doesn't help enough all by itself — while the second is just a blurb, so it counts for nothing. So no, you're not showing what it would take. Bearcat (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I bet there are many other sources that could be easily found. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Very nearly all of those sources suffer from the same problems I identified in my comment as the reasons why the sources already present aren't cutting it. SFGate and NBC Bay Area don't help, as they're Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself rather than being written about in the third person by somebody else — which makes them fine for verification of facts, but not able to assist in the process of establishing that he passes GNG. Chicago Tribune: not about him, but about his company — so it counts for something toward the notability of the company, but for exactly nothing toward establishing his notability as an individual. New York Times: purely WP:ROUTINE coverage of an unsuccessful campaign for office, of the type that every candidate for office always gets, so not establishing that his unsuccessful candidacy was somehow more notable than other people's unsuccessful candidacies. Variety mentions his name, but is not about him. And of the two Fortune articles, the first one counts for something, but as the only source you've identified that helps his notability at all it doesn't help enough all by itself — while the second is just a blurb, so it counts for nothing. So no, you're not showing what it would take. Bearcat (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Very nearly all of those sources suffer from the same problems I identified in my comment as the reasons why the sources already present aren't cutting it. SFGate and NBC Bay Area don't help, as they're Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself rather than being written about in the third person by somebody else — which makes them fine for verification of facts, but not able to assist in the process of establishing that he passes GNG. Chicago Tribune: not about him, but about his company — so it counts for something toward the notability of the company, but for exactly nothing toward establishing his notability as an individual. New York Times: purely WP:ROUTINE coverage of an unsuccessful campaign for office, of the type that every candidate for office always gets, so not establishing that his unsuccessful candidacy was somehow more notable than other people's unsuccessful candidacies. Variety mentions his name, but is not about him. And of the two Fortune articles, the first one counts for something, but as the only source you've identified that helps his notability at all it doesn't help enough all by itself — while the second is just a blurb, so it counts for nothing. So no, you're not showing what it would take. Bearcat (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Plenty of nontrivial coverage of the subject in mainstream news-media, and Eureka Lott just gives a small sample above. More than enough to pass WP:GNG. Nsk92 (talk) 22:31, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:25, 1 February 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:19, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


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