Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Osteen Radio


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Joel Osteen. I agree that it's, ahem, unusual to have a user's first edit be an AfD (and a snarky one at that), but be that as it may, there seems to be a pretty clear consensus here that this upcoming show has not yet gathered the coverage required to demonstrate notability. If, as some people predict, it does get that coverage in the future, there's no reason somebody can't come along and recreate this article, with the proper citations For now, I don't think a merge is justified because the WP:CRYSTAL factor speaks against adding this material to another article no less strongly than it speaks against this article existing at the current time.. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Joel Osteen Radio

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Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball future stations should not be included unless they have some notability which in this case it does not and besides that who is Joel Osteen? Nobody that's who. XaiverHuntman (talk) 19:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 August 8.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 19:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Joel Osteen is an extremely prominent televangelist and there are plenty of news sources about this recently announced Sirius XM channel that will feature "live call-in shows hosted by Osteen and his wife, fellow Lakewood pastor Victoria Osteen, along with rebroadcasts of his past sermons."  E.g. .  Nevertheless, at this point it's not obvious that we need a new article for this, or whether this content should simply be included in the existing bio article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm gonna be lenient and say Keep till 2015 - If after that there's no improvement in sources I suggest Renomming, I personally see no point in merging or deleting as it'll no doubt be created again and again. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  22:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep As was stated by User:Arxiloxos Joel Osteen is a prominent televangelist and preacher. He is also Senior Pastor of one of the largest churches in the United States, further SiriusXM Satellite Radio is a major radio network that is available throughout North America, so its not like this is a little dinky radio station. I also have to question the nominator whose account is just 12 hours old and came out of the gate with their first edit being an AfD which seems suspicious. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 05:28, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak delete – without a definite launch date this is just WP:CRYSTAL, and the many sources stating the guy will have a show are more appropriate for his biography itself. However, I sympathise somewhat  with the argument of Davey2010, which is not technically correct but is something I have espoused before.
 * As to : there's no need to question the nominator's integrity. He has made other edits which appear to be in good faith. My 20th ever edit was an AfD nom (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Only Exception: The Musical) made within 2 hours of my first edit. Indeed, to be able to make it was one of the reasons I registered, after having contributed in a minor cleanup / anti vandalism capacity as an IP. Would you have thought me suspicious? BethNaught (talk) 09:02, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Re-sign to correct the ping. Sorry Gene93k! BethNaught (talk) 09:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. While Joel Osteen's notability is unquestioned, notability is not inherited and that's especially true for subjects that do not yet exist. Without significant coverage by reliable third-party sources, there's no way for this article to cross the verifiability or notability thresholds. - Dravecky (talk) 14:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheGoofyGolfer TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 14:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Upcoming? Let it come first and let's see the public reaction. If it earns notability we will make an article then. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 14:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge into Joel Osteen. Put it right under the section on books.   - WPGA2345 -     ☛   01:51, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited, so Joel Osteen's notability as a person does not automatically transfer to every individual thing he puts his name on — and WP:NMEDIA does not confer an automatic presumption of notability on a satellite radio station (and especially not on one that hasn't actually launched yet — things can change, so just because this is planned doesn't mean it's actually going to happen.) Rather, a Wikipedia article about a satellite radio station lives and dies on the quality of sources that can be added which are specifically about the satellite radio station in its own right. Redirect to Joel Osteen's main article for now; if and when the station actually launches and actual reliable sources about it can be added to get it past NMEDIA on its own steam, then it will warrant its own separate article. Bearcat (talk) 18:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Technically speaking SiriusXM has already launched the channel, they're just running a looped promo audio message right now but the station is there. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 17:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
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