Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joel Smallbone


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 23:24, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Joel Smallbone

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I see no reason why this brother has to have to has his own article. For context, he is half of the Christian music group For King & Country, the other half of the group is his brother,. Luke doesn't have an article; his name redirects to the band. That's my problem: why is one brother independently notable but the other isn't? I don't see anything in this article that would suggest that he is independently notable outside of the band.

Now just to be clear, For King & Country is absolutely notable through both GNG and NBAND criterion C8 "Has won or been nominated for a major music award" (and probably other criteria, too). I will also disclose that I am familiar with them and enjoy their music. But I just don't think that Joel or Luke is notable outside the real accomplishments made by their band. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 15:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep per the Grammy awards/nominations plus some other areas where improvement can be added (saw an article where he did some notable work on his own regarding awareness of human trafficking.) Expansion, not deletion, is the best route here. South Nashua (talk) 15:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Did he get those awards/nominations as an individual artist?&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 16:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think being nominated, even as part of a band, is enough on its own. Plus there's room for growth here on top of that. South Nashua (talk) 16:02, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep No, nominations alone are not enough, it requires interest from RSes about the nomination, and yes, they must be for the individual, not as a member of a duo. With that said, he has enough coverage in fringe media for his involvement in the films he's been in. That coverage is likely because he's a member of the group. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep (Article creator) - No, his brother Luke is not independently notable for music or I would have created pages for both instead of just creating a redirect for Luke. What he is independently notable for is his leading role in Priceless (2016 film) which qualifies under WP:ENT. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:56, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep For lead actor in Priceless.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


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