Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joelle Behlock


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The result was speedily deleted by Basalisk per CSD G5 (created by a banned or blocked user in violation of ban or block). (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 14:31, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Joelle Behlock

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Subject isn't generally notable. I asked the author prior to creation to create a user sandbox and develop a draft article but they refused. The prior article had already been PROD'd and deleted, which is why I'm taking this to AfD. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 19:30, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment Did you perform a WP:BEFORE search? did you consider http://www.todaysoutlook.com/designers/details/joelle-behlock-nader-a-passion-for-fashion as contributing to notability? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:48, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I did the BEFORE search, as I've gotten burned before. I never make deletion noms lightly. That piece is an interview, so it's not independent of the subject. I don't see a lot of notability coming from todaysoutlook.com, either. There are a handful of pieces about the subject but I don't think the bar for GNG is that low. I remind you that Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. Let's wait 10 or 20 years for some real coverage before we make proclamations about notability. I've written 32 articles and (with one exception) none of them have ever been nom'd for deletion because I'm careful about staying within the notability guidelines, which I think the author of this piece, in their haste, failed to do. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Do note that as per Interviews the introductory section of an interview may be reliable and secondary, and so contribute to notability. Just dismissing a source because "its an interview" is not enough. However, that source alone is not sufficient to establish notability, even if accepted as independent and secondary. Thanks for doing a BEFORE search, too many AfD nominators skip it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:00, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * My AfD ratio is a horrible 68% with consensus. I'm not trying to make it worse. Thanks for pointing out INTERVIEWS; I was unaware of it. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 22:04, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per Chris Troutman. - GretLomborg (talk)
 * Keep, normally I view beauty queen articles with suspicion, but here she has gone on to do a number of different things, and given the difficulty of finding third world sources that compare in quality to those in the first world, I think we DO have enough coverage to be adequate for GNG. Also, to say "That piece is an interview, so it's not independent of the subject" misreads the guidelines ... who is the interviewer, what media published the interview, etc... that's what matters. This is also an article tht needs a lot of work, but I think it passes muster.  Montanabw (talk) 20:52, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Montanabw's arguments above. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete You need to find the sources, not just hand wave that finding sources is difficult. We do not have enough sources to pass GNG, so we should delete the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric  03:47, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The article's creator,, has been blocked thanks to CheckUser. I don't know if this is now eligible for CSD. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:37, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


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