Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joey Clement


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Selena Gomez & the Scene. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Joey Clement

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There's not a single reliably sourced fact in this article that actually pertains to Joey Clement. I can't find anything that actually talks about Joey Clement that isn't a fan site or a Wikipedia mirror. &mdash;Kww(talk) 02:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Selena Gomez & the Scene or Midwest Kings. No notability outside of these groups. Actually, might as well be a delete, because you can't redirect to two pages. A412  (Talk * C) 05:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or Redirect to Selena Gomez & the Scene. Member of two notable bands, if that can be verified, so passes WP:BAND ctiterion 6 - I couldn't find a reliable source for his membership of the Midwest Kings and none of the sources in that article mention him. If we can't verify that, redirect to the other band per standard practice for musicians without individual notability. --Michig (talk) 10:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  00:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect as above. DaveApter (talk) 11:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 January 31.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  03:36, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep – Meets WP:BAND criterion #6. I've added a citation to a reliable source for his membership in the Midwest Kings. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 05:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment As the nominator, I still argue for delete. It seems sad to have a BLP where we don't have anything we can say about the person that is the subject aside from the fact of his membership in two bands. We can't even fill out the standard infobox for a person based on the information that can be gleaned from reliable sources. The article will read, pretty much in full, "Joey Clement is the bassist for Selena Gomez & The Scene and The Midwest Kings." We can'tsource the time period when that statement was true, either. The ultimate in permastubs, serving only as a magnet for BLP violations.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Weakest of keeps. The only reason I have to present to keep, is that there is no likeliest redirect page, it could be either band, and either redirect would be unreasonable. The only two reasonable things I can think off is losing this information with a delete (which I think is a fair option), or have the permastub Kww refers to, in lieu of a 'redirect disambiguation', which is also not desirable. This is indeed, as Kww argues, sad, but I think the latter, even though it is a pretty bad option, is the best option we have. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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