Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johan Matton (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The sense of the full discussion is that the subject lack notability established by independent, reliable sources. I also fully endorse the decision to semi protect the discussion given the sock infestation in the first AFD, and the indications that the same might be occurring again. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  23:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Johan Matton
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Non notable actor, recreation of page deleted previously via discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Johan_Matton Kavdiamanju (talk) 19:23, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Please read deletion page or talk page if having a concern with the article instead of placing it for speedy deletion. Many contributors/user have worked on this article and added notable news articles regarding Johan Matton's notabilty. Non commercial aspects has also been deleted. And there is a Swedish version of the page. seems like user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kavdiamanju might have an outside agenda or missed checking the contribution history for this article. Johan Matton was concisered a notable topic and the article has been polished several times by many users. The discussion of this article to be deleted seem non relevant as many larger improvements and additions has been made since it's creation.
 * Not sure if Kavdiamanju has missed the history contributions or has an agenda. The Article Johan Matton has been updated the last 3 months by several news articles and a link to a recent TV interview. More han 10 separate contributors/users has added news regardig Johan Matton being notable. Worth taking a look at the article and read through.
 * The article has also been polished several times and commercial aspects has been deleted. There is also a Swedish Wikipedia regarding the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.19.146 (talk) 19:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)  — 172.56.19.146 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete This low-quality source was the best I could find that provides anywhere near substantial coverage of the subject. There are two extremely brief mentions in Aftonbladet  but other than that the sources are all primary sources (film festivals, imdb etc.). WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG are therefore not met. SmartSE (talk) 20:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep http://www.kens5.com/videos/entertainment/television/great-day-sa/2015/07/31/till-we-meet-again/30935427/ seem to be a 5 minute segment on Johan Matton aired July 30th on CBS / Kens 5 Good Morning SA which after a quick check has 2 million viewers. The link is included in the article. http://lt.se/kulturnoje/1.2931451-nykvarnbo-siktar-hogt-i-new-york is a full article on Johan Matton in Swedish news paper. The subjects notable awards and recognition within the field of independent film and acting seems to have strong coverage and sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:F1E6:ED00:FC7E:741:E73C:8780 (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2015 (UTC)  — 2604:2000:F1E6:ED00:FC7E:741:E73C:8780 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment the previous (read: 1st) AfD drew many socks and IP voters, so I have added a tag (potentially preemptively). Primefac (talk) 20:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. North America1000 00:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. North America1000 00:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. North America1000 00:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't know how to formulate me within wikipedia standards for arguing an article so I merely ask for the judging of this article to read through the whole article and look at the references. Especially view the full interview with the subject: http://www.kens5.com/videos/entertainment/television/great-day-sa/2015/07/31/till-we-meet-again/30935427/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swedish Journalist (talk • contribs) 05:09, 8 August 2015 (UTC)  — Swedish Journalist (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please more experienced Wikipedia users, read through and judge following articles. I found these 6 references Interviewing or writing direct related article regarding the subject on top of the indirect ones: Good Morning SA: http://www.kens5.com/story/entertainment/2015/07/31/till-we-meet-again/30936177/ Interview for a pod cast: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/brian-decicco/boat-over-the-mountain/e/interview-with-john-matton-til-we-meet-again-38089478 Swedish news Paper Article/Interview http://lt.se/kulturnoje/1.2931451-nykvarnbo-siktar-hogt-i-new-york Fan page Article http://www.fansshare.com/news/johan-matton-career-in-2013/ Press release? The B I Z was taken apart here because wikipedia did not approve on that ending, to read article please put it together. http://www.filmindustrynetwork.b i z/till-we-meet-again-world-premiere-at-san-antonio-film-festival/29338 Interview https://sv.stagepool.com/nyfiken_pa/6947/det_ar_valdigt_manga_nej_pa_ett_ja Interview http://archive.is/qXdXI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:F1E6:ED00:501F:197D:EB60:BC83 (talk) 02:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)  — 2604:2000:F1E6:ED00:501F:197D:EB60:BC83 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment
 * Keep - with some margin this article passe WP:GNG. It is clear that this actor has had a few important roles. And it is sourced.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk  13:41, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

— 2604:2000:F1E6:ED00:A65E:60FF:FECF:3F73 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 00:10, 20 August 2015 (UTC).
 * Keep - This article passes WP:GNG. There is no question the actor in this matter has had some parts of significance and that the actors has won a few awards. Sourced with good references and some less important references. I admit that a more thorough search had to be made with his nick name mentioned in the article. The two more important references would be the Kens5 Good Morning SA interview http://www.kens5.com/story/entertainment/2015/07/31/till-we-meet-again/30936177/ and a Swedish interview http://lt.se/kulturnoje/1.2931451-nykvarnbo-siktar-hogt-i-new-york≤/. A side mention is that the article is far from an Orphan article with many direct linked articles.
 * Sources form the Nordic Film Festival is really telling. Clearly notable per GNG. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:35, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There are a number of different nordic film festivals - Canada, London, Los Angeles. This particular one is in New York and is in its first year (as of 2015). In fact, its first awards have not yet been given. LaMona (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Okay, semi-protected, so let's see if we can reach a consensus without the likely socks floating around. Courcelles (talk) 04:08, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 04:08, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Mainly too soon. A lot of what is here would be considered to be original research, since most links are to directly related sites like web sites for the movies themselves. I looked at nearly every reference, and found only one (#4) that might be considered a minor but reliable third-party reference. Here is what I conclude about the others:
 * Not RS (not third-party resources, or not reliable) 1, 2, 8, 17-19, 25, 29
 * Only mentions: 5-7, 9-13, 16
 * No mention: 14, 15, 32
 * Minor awards, mostly "also rans": 3, 7, 20-21 LaMona (talk) 17:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - He hasn't had that many roles so far, but it does appear that he's received a general amount of coverage (including 'also rans', which are still at least party notable) that he passes the bar as far as notability goes. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:25, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Mainly per LaMona, because subject does not meet GNG or relevant specific notability guidelines. Winning an award is not notable unless it's a major award, and a new indie festival award does not fall into that category.  Plenty of otherwise NN people win awards on the indie circuit.  Thus far, he's got news coverage and a few bit parts, and everything else is non-contributory. MSJapan (talk) 18:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (but copy in user draft space) - Per LaMona, I don't think the coverage of the subject is strong enough to merit an article at this point in time... however, I think is quite possible that the subject will gain more substantial coverage in the future. When that occurs, it would be a shame to have to start completely over on a new article.  So... I would recommend choosing a volunteer custodian, copy the current article into his/her user space... contributors can then monitor the sources, work on the article as a "draft"...  and present it again when it passes muster. Blueboar (talk) 18:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Doesn't have a lot of roles or reliable sources. Best known role is either a minor role in an episode of a TV show, or a movie he wrote, produced, and starred in and won a few awards at one film festival. May have been too soon for this article to have been made. Wait until he has more film roles before determining notability.  Aerospeed  (Talk) 23:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


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