Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johann von Holthov-Chikoff


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Johann von Holthov-Chikoff

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A biographical article about a 19th Century Russian writer that, as far as I can see, fails both notability and verifiabilty criteria. Apart from a recently-created corresponding entry on Spanish Wikipedia here, there are no Google hits whatsoever. The article asserts that the subject was a close friend of Pushkin, so it is not unreasonable to assume the name would appear in at least one biography of Pushkin, if only mentioned in passing, but there are no results on Google books, nor are there results for any of the works attributed to the subject. The only source offered is an autobiography from 1861, but again, there are no results for this work. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 20:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 21:12, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 21:12, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment Searching this is going to be a problem, because of translation and transliteration difficulties. To search adequately, it's going to be necessary to reconstruct the Russian titles of the books. (and the Russian spelling of the author's name).  DGG ( talk ) 04:06, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree that transliteration issues are a problem here, although there are issues of sourcing as if the one and only source offered for this article is the memoirs of the subject, WP:RS wouldn't be satisfied. However, even allowing for transliteration problems, I think it is a source of concern that the only online mentions of the works of the subject is one of them being used as a source for an article on Spanish Wikipedia (on the Jakov family), created by the author of this article. I know I am stepping over the boundaries of WP:AGF here, but the only reason I am not challenging that article on Spanish Wikipedia is my lack of Spanish; there are very significant problems with that article particularly with sources and with the use of images, where an image purporting to be of a 16th-Century nobleman is actually a greyscaled and horizontally-flipped image of a 19th Century image of a Cossack. (If you want to compare the images: this is the image uploaded by the editor here and here is the 19th-Century image on Wikpedia here. I noticed the similarity when I saw this edit removing the 19th-Century image from the English Wikipedia article on Don Cossacks. (There is a second image on Wikipedia that has suffered the same fate: compare this image of a Boyar from the 17th Century with this image of the purported 16th Century Count_Aleksandr_Nikolayevich_Jakov ) So, in for a penny, in for a pound: as I have already questioned the intentions of the article creator, I'll go on to suggest this article is a step in the creation of a false genealogy for the Jakov family on Wikipedia. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 18:58, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Theopolisme ( talk )  00:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete: Even with my limited knowledge of Spanish, it is obvious that someone is trying to graft the oddly unrecorded Jakov noble family on to very well known family trees. The Spanish article, for example, has the founder of the Jakov family as an illegitimate son of Lengvenis - by a mother whose surname appears not once on the internet. Highly suspicious per WP:EXCEPTIONAL and per WP:DUCK. I suggest that all of contributions of the SPA editor who created this article be purged. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 02:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * on the internet ? the mother of an illegitimate Lithuanian noble child from  the 15th century?   I find nothing exceptional in a Lithuanian noble family--and there were a great many of them--being ultimately related to a royal illegitimate progeny.   it may or not not be historically accurate, but it's not suspicious.  It may be a total fraud, or just the sort o over ambitious family geology we see a lot of here.
 * But we're discussing this particular person, and the question is whether we can find the Russian books, if we can reconstruct their titles.  DGG ( talk ) 05:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood my point. I am not surprised that the supposed ancestress of the alleged Jakovs is not mentioned anywhere online; I am surprised that her surname does not appear anywhere - an authentic Russian or Ruthenian patronymic surname should get some Google-hits, no? הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 18:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. No such person ever existed. Yet another hoax from User:LordCarisbrooke who should be indefblocked for his pranks.--Ghirla-трёп- 07:32, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Have a look at this blog-post, especially at the name of the author: Realeza y Nobleza Rusa. This should give us other questionable families to look out for... הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 18:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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