Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johannes of Habsburg-Lorraine


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The result was delete. North America1000 04:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Johannes of Habsburg-Lorraine

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not notable 20th-21st century aristocrat who became a priest. No notability in either role. WP is neither a `genealogical site nor a society column  DGG ( talk ) 02:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The article is a translation from a French Wikipedia page but all sources provided are non-reliable. I have not found any significant coverage in reliable ones myself. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Perhaps it was thought that the subject is notable because he is a descendant of the last emperor of Austria. That, however, is irrelevant for determining the notability of the subject per WP:BIOFAMILY. Modussiccandi (talk) 10:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My apologies for not recognising the reliable sources. I had dismissed Point de Vue as a gossip site. Thanks to Andreas Philopater for clearing this up. Still delete per WP:BASIC and WP:1E. Modussiccandi (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Not enough substantial sourcing to establish his notability as a priest, which is the main focus of the article. Yes he is a Catholic priest...so are 500,000 more men. Can't have articles on all of them. Fails WP:RELPEOPLE. Also contrary to the information in the article, any dynastic rights he held as a member of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine were automatically lost post his ordination. So not even a titular Archduke of Austria anymore. TheRedDomitor (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. It isn't actually that hard to find coverage in reliable sources (such as this and this, just from the first page of one Google search). If you're going to argue for deletion, WP:ONEEVENT would put you on firmer ground. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 10:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Touché. Any sourcing that exists, even reliable one's, are derivative of his status as a member of the former Austrian Imperial family, who in a rare occurrence has joined the priestly ranks. So I guess yeah...WP:ONEEVENT is a better clause for summing this matter. Still not enough to establish notability as a priest though. TheRedDomitor (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Austria has abolished titles of nobility, so that "archduke" is a mere hereditary title. Being ordained does not make him notable either.  Conclusion: NN.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this is more deposed monarchy cruft.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


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