Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johannesburg Youth Orchestra


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The result was   no consensus. Courcelles 23:52, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Johannesburg Youth Orchestra

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fails WP:MUSIC; NO reliable sources Dlabtot (talk) 00:15, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
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 * Question Are there any South African reliable sources available for this topic? And Adoil Descended (talk) 23:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

 Comment: We have a lot of articles on youth orchestras (Category:Youth orchestras). Do we have any criteria for their notability? WP:MUSIC fails to address this kind of band. -- Klein zach  07:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean when you say that the guideline fails to address this type of band. Why do you say that? Dlabtot (talk) 17:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment An article in the Johannesburg Business Day referred to them as "the well- known Johannesburg Youth Orchestra Company". That makes me suspect that I'd find plenty of sources if I were in South Africa. Cloveapple (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2011 (UTC) 
 * Keep You don't have to "suspect" that there are sources and you don't have to be in South Africa to search. Google news finds half a dozen articles from four different independent reliable sources. This article from the Mail and Guardian, for example, gives extended significant coverage to the group. Somebody needs to add these references to the article, but simply finding them demonstrates notability. --MelanieN (talk) 20:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   05:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete You cite one article with significant coverage, not enough to satisfy WP:N or WP:ORG or WP:Music. Most of the 6 Google news results are passing references, press releases, or directory listings. A "youth orchestra" is not any more inherently notable than a recreational bowling league or a softball team. It is just a recreational and educational activity. Edison (talk) 00:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Nobody is claiming that youth orchestras are inherently notable. The question is whether THIS youth orchestra is notable, based on WP:GNG. In my opinion, the available sourcing is sufficient and the group is notable. Your mileage may vary. --MelanieN (talk) 16:10, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The article has been improved considerably since my nomination however only one of the added references was I able to verify as a solid reliable source with significant coverage. I would say the article still does not meet our notability criteria ('multiple') however if it were in the state it is now I probably would not have nominated it in the first place. Dlabtot (talk) 22:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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