Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John "Korney" Kwiatkowski


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Daniel (talk) 00:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

John "Korney" Kwiatkowski

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Article does not establish notability. JDDJS (talk) 17:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm unsure about his notability, but a redirect or merge to Polish mob would be better than deletion. --Colapeninsula (talk) 17:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Clearly fails WP:BIO notability requirement as written currently. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Complete lack of notability, article is barely extant and completely lacking in any real information (not even a birth or death date). Ajh1492 (talk) 08:47, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - difficult to verify any facts. Bearian (talk) 18:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, a quick google book search shows several results, establishing notability. A book was written about him, see http://books.google.com/books?id=uvevEKig2_4C, reviewed here: http://ampoleagle.com/author-details-polish-gangsters-in-buffalo-p2746-97.htm , http://www.cheektowagabee.com/news/2012-03-15/Local_News/Gang_history_rediscovered_in_Depew.html. see http://books.google.com/books?id=DohsSHvlZAMC, p. 241 , etc. --Soman (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment on sources above. "They Call Me Korney" by Michael F. Rizzo is a self-published book.  The "reviews" are community paper type articles.  I don't see that this represents a reliable source.  On the other hand, "Criminals and Politicians" by Denis Tilden Lynch is published by MacMillan is a reliable source.  The snippet view makes it difficult to evaluate context and significance of coverage.  The article also references "Only Saps Work" by Courtenay Terrett published through Vanguard Press.  So that would be a second reliable source, but again we have only a snippet view.  I'm on the fence on this given how long before the internet era he operated and there are a couple of books that at least mention him.  -- Whpq (talk) 23:36, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing to change my mind on deletion, if somebody could find a snippet, or at least a page number. Bearian (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * For "Criminals and Politicians", the snippet view identifies as pp.241-242, and for "Only Saps Work", the snippet view identifies as p.148. -- Whpq (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - I am prepared to agree with user Soman.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:33, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.