Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John B


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The nominator withdrew his nomination. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 03:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

John B

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Delete per WP:MUSIC. The article fails to assert his notability, and a quick Google test supported this lack of notability (first hit is his own website, second is some obscure fansite, third is Wikipedia). He doesn't seem to be on any charts or meet any of the other criteria at WP:MUSIC. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 00:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC) It's pretty clear from his MySpace page that he regularly tours Western and Eastern Europe and North America. Videos on his site and podcast have shown him being interviewed on TV and radio in a number of countries. He regularly attends the Winter Music Conference. John was on the cover of Knowledge Magazine issue 59 and interviewed on Grooverider's BBC One radio show on 26 August 2006 (he also played a guest DJ set on that show). I doubt there are many drum'n bass albums that have achieved gold status in any territory (Concord Dawn and Shapeshifter are noteable exceptions, but only in the New Zealand market). Most of his five albums have been released on his own label, Beta Recordings (whose roster also includes Exile), but he has released singles on a variety of high profile labels such as Metalheadz, Prototype Recordings, Formation Records and Defunked. Additionally he has remixed artists such as Omni Trio and Blame. This is where it is possible to disagree over notability, but he has been promoting his own subgenres such as Electrostep and Trance'n Bass in recent years. He has produced tracks across the full spectrum of drum'n bass including Jungle, Techstep and Liquid Funk tracks. Rolldabeats provides a fairly comprehesive discography —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.37.75.101 (talk) 05:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Withdrawing nomination. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 03:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also nominating Beta Recordings, his record label. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 01:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * +1 202.37.75.101 06:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I just forgot to list it in the log. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 03:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that the article does meet the criteria laid out in Notability (music):
 * Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in reliable sources.
 * MySpace is not a reliable source. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 05:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.
 * Key word: non-trivial. Plus, being on the cover of the magazine hardly qualifies as being the subject of the work, and you need to provide evidence for the BBC One claim. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 05:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 *  Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
 * None of these are major record labels or particularly important indie labels, and as you said, he released most of his albums on his own label. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 05:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style.
 * Sub-subgenres are not notable styles. Drum and bass is a subgenre of electronic music, and those you listed are just obscure sub-subgenres. Plus, he's not even listed as a notable artist on their Wikipedia articles. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 05:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous. Anyone with even remote interest in drum 'n' bass knows who John B is. He's been reviewed and interviewed multiple times on Mixmag, DJ Magazine and Knowledge Magazine, as well as nominated for DMA award (http://www.btyahoo.com/dma06/best_electronic-dj_artist) . Here's an example piece from Knowledge: http://www.knowledgemag.co.uk/features.asp?SectionID=1031&uid=&MagID=1063&ReviewID=1702&PageNumber=1.
 * BTW, "Electronic Music" is not a genre, Drum 'n' Bass is a genre, and electrostep and liquid funk are drum 'n' bass subgenres. --Telecart 01:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's a couple of more interviews:
 * Groove Effect: http://www.grooveeffect.com/feature-articles-guides/grooveeffect-interviews-dj-producer-john-b.php
 * Jive Magazine: http://www.jivemagazine.com/article.php?pid=2106
 * Alright, your evidence is convincing enough, Telecart. Would you agree with redirecting his label to his article, though? The label doesn't contain any useful information and isn't notable for anything other than his own material. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 03:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.