Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Badduke


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The result was delete. Even discounting the "if someone is only known for playing hockey, they must pass the notability guidelines for hockey players" argument, this is a universal delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

John Badduke

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 18:52, 7 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * This subject actually comes close to and possibly passes GNG. He does fail NHOCKEY, but not by much.  He has 169 regular season games (175 including playoffs) so not that far off from the 200 standard.  He was at worst in the top 4 in penalty minutes, not scoring as per our standard but still a statistic that gets measured and gets attention.  As for coverage, he has a very good article here and a lesser article (but still with him as the subject here, although both are from syracuse.com so count as one source.  On newspapers.com there a couple of articles behind a paywall from Tallahassee Democrat on which he is in the headline as a subject, one from March 3, 1998 about an incident in which he got suspended, and one which appears to be a more significant article from January 8, 1998 about his joining the Tiger Sharks to become their enforcer. He also gets a few sentences in this article and a little coverage that isn't worth much in this article.  So overall he probably has at least 2 sources of significant coverage (although if someone can access the Tallahassee Democrat the coverage there may be less than I think) and some less significant coverage (i'd give about 1/4-1/3 credit) from Portland Tribune and maybe a tiny bit of credit from the Baltimore Sun.  That begins to suggest possibly meeting GNG, especially when his career ended about 20 years ago so there could well be coverage not easily accessible. Rlendog (talk) 19:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong delete if someone is only known for playing hockey, they must pass the notability guidelines for hockey players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:19, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That is completely false and a drastic misreading of WP:NHOCKEY. If someone passes GNG by attracting significant coverage in multiple sources for playing hockey he meets the necessary notability requirements, even if he doesn't meet any of the specific criteria in NHOCKEY. Rlendog (talk) 12:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 06:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 06:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete We have a standard for a reason and its only a presumption for a reason. Since under 200 games, just rely on GNG.  All we have here is a news release, so zero sources.  From the content maybe he could pass considering his number was semi-retired.  But until those sources are actually found, we don't presume since under the threshold and therefore delete. RonSigPi (talk) 22:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: per RonSigPi. Even the standard's only a presumption, and if Badduke had played 300 games in the AHL the article would have to meet the GNG all the same.  Since the notability of the article's been challenged, it's up to anyone seeking to save it to produce qualifying sources.   Ravenswing   07:04, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete:, doesn't meet NHOCKEY guidelines, and I don't see any other reason why he might qualify for an article.  PK  T (alk)  20:23, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete He meets none of the hockey notability criteria and also fails to meet WP:GNG. A little coverage about his frequent fighting penalties in local papers is the best I could find and I don't think that's enough. Papaursa (talk) 18:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


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