Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Berthier


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 06:58, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

John Berthier

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I can't seem to find any evidence of notability or coverage beyond one sentence mentions that he founded Missionaries of the Holy Family, which does not even have a page of its own. Would suggest redirect if there was a page about the missionary, but there is not. Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 18:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Nomination Withdrawn -- thank you to the editors below who have looked harder than I did! New sources are quite sufficient. Admin please close. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 03:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for bringing him to my attention, it was interesting to learn about him. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:36, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep -- This is a poor stub. but the founder of a Catholic order with 900 priests and is a candidate for canonisation certainly should be notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 19:32, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 *  Weak Strong keep - If not, merge to Missionaries of La Salette; Bertier was a member, and he is mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia article about that group.. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:59, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've updated the Berthier page with sources and the La Salette page to mention Berthier. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've struck weak from my !vote. I've found his entry in the New Catholic encyclpedia as well as other articles about him. He was often called Jean, Jan, or Johannes, and was the subject of a book and has an entry in the national encyclopedia of France. Here is his page in fr.wikipedia: fr:Jean Berthier. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment If Berthier is actually a candidate for canonization, we should at least be able to find his death date, and probably his birth year as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:15, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 07:16, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Looks to be notable enough. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Smmurphy's comment above.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


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