Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Bollington


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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator, no outstanding delete votes, no need to keep this open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down (talk) 21:49, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

John Bollington

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Has mostly coached amateur clubs, apart from 1 game in charge of Netherlands senior team. Doesn't pass WP:GNG. --SuperJew (talk) 13:40, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn by nominator - per confirmation of WP:GNG. --SuperJew (talk) 10:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes NFOOTY, has managed at the highest possible level, namely a senior international football team. This added to a substantial career at the top end of English football makes it likely that this player, who was prominent nearly a century ago would have received sufficient coverage for GNG at the time in sources now not readily available. Fenix down (talk) 14:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * He managed for 1 game, which I would assume means he was a caretaker. --SuperJew (talk) 14:29, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Let's not make assumptions, especially when they have no bearing on the subject-specific guideline. Fenix down (talk) 14:34, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment Some sources seem to disagree who the manager for the game in question was (this and this, both seemingly reliable, list Bob Glendenning). I suppose Dutch users could find better local sources. No longer a penguin (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * And if we add in the fact that the source on Bollington's page is a deadlink... --SuperJew (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep - clearly notable. GiantSnowman 16:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Question What's clearly notable about him? --SuperJew (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm surprised the referencing is considered up to the standards of editors such as and . Looks like they need to be improved in order to meet WP:GNG.  Hmlarson (talk) 17:09, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Someone with a copy of the Joyce book will be able to expand upon his professional playing career - which according to the Dutch article lasted over a decade. Something needing improving is not a reason to delete, as you should know. GiantSnowman 17:11, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Based on what guideline, GS? Or are you being purposefully vague? Hmlarson (talk) 17:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:DEL-REASON good enough for you? GiantSnowman 17:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, the Joyce book is one secondary source (fine), the CVV Vriendenschaar ref appears to be a primary source (fine - but need additional secondary sources), and the third is dead. The two you just added a few minutes ago are stats. Is this sufficient to you both (now) as editors with admin privileges when the notability of the subject is being questioned? I'd just like to confirm. Hmlarson (talk) 17:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Does the sources verify a claim to notability? Yes. Is that claim to notability sufficient? Yes. Nothing to do with being an "admin"; you've clearly got a chip on your shoulder. GiantSnowman 17:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You'll need some secondary references to meet WP:GNG, GS, but nice try. Hmlarson (talk) 17:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Subject passes WP:NFOOTBALL as having managed an international match and having played in a fully-professional league. Can't quite get my head around this AFD. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment See, I have no idea how much to trust the info on the page. Edits like this ("although that book makes no mention of his having played for Walsall", but leaving it in the infobox) make me doubt the reliability of the info. Also doubt about his 1 international coaching match, per comment above, as RSSSF is a reliable source. --SuperJew (talk) 06:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This book gives a list of Netherlands managers: Mr Bollington's dates are given as 2 Nov 1924 to 14 Mar 1925 (which basically starts with the South Africa match but stops before their next fixture). And I see someone's added a source to the article that includes a contemporary newspaper cutting showing his appointment for the SA fixture. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The sourcing is good now. I suppose the conflicting sources came from South African records, which can be expected to make an occasional mistake about their opponents. As expected, Dutch sources are much better for that purpose. No longer a penguin (talk) 09:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject passes WP:NFOOTY in two ways: he played in the English Football League for Southend and Brighton, and he managed the Netherlands national team. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as the subject passes WP:NFOOTY and his presumption of notability has not been adequately challenged. No longer a penguin (talk) 09:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Smartyllama (talk) 14:46, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


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