Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Bryant (cricketer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

John Bryant (cricketer)

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Biography which fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:ATHLETE or WP:NCRIC. None of the matches he played in were first-class, despite the claims of the article, so he fails the technical aspects of NCRIC and ATHLETE. The only information we appear to have on Bryant is taken from scorecards of matches he played in - CricketArchive has only a year and place of death beyond the two matches it places him in. The both year and place appear to be speculative at best and we simply lack any other biographical information from suitable sources, so there's no way we'll ever be able to create a biography which meets WP:GNG. Contested PROD with no reason given. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:06, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page because it has the same essential issue - nothing other than scorecard information is being used with no hope of being able to build a biography. Is the brother of John Bryant:


 * Comment I note that, notwithstanding the nomination statement, WP:NCRIC does not mention "first class" at all, merely the highest international or domestic level. If Ashley-Cooper has described the level that the Bryants were playing at as "top-class matches", that aligns with our requirements. ——  SerialNumber  54129  12:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi SN 54129. If you follow the link from NCRIC to WP:CRIN, it explains in more details what "top-class matches" are, including info on first-class cricket. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:30, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, Lugnuts, it says almost precisely the same thing in almost precisely the same language:WP:NCRIC: Have appeared as a player or umpire in at least one cricket match that is judged by a substantial source to have been played at the highest international or domestic levelWP:CRIN: has appeared as a player or umpire in at least one cricket match that is judged by a substantial secondary source to have been played at the highest international or domestic level.Thanks, ——  SerialNumber  54129  12:34, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that there are issues with the technical way in which NCRIC is written - which I'm happy to elaborate on at any point. In almost every case it is interpreted at AfD to mean "first-class, list A or official T20". There are different opinions about what is regarded as top-class amongst people who have written about early cricket - and one author's opinion is not necessarily shared by others. Notwithstanding that, if there was sufficient biographical information to suggest that the article met the GNG I wouldn't have nominated it - for example, William Bedle or Thomas Waymark I would suggest are about at GNG standards. I don't believe that we will ever have enough to get either Bryant to that sort of level - we are almost totally reliant on information synthesised from scorecards for the content of the articles. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:47, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete it is high time we just scrap the ludicrously over broad cricket notability guidelines and require indepth coverage in multiple indepdent 3rd partysecondary sources to actually be found, and totally delete the hundreds of Cricket articles sourced only to stattistical tables.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. But this one isn't sourced only to statistical tables. Johnlp (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, clpo13(talk) 16:33, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. He played cricket in some matches on some dates is pretty much what the article says. Fails WP:CRIN, and on GNG, there's nothing really to go on to make an article out of. StickyWicket (talk) 17:15, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


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